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 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/01/2021 04:11 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - kkkwj - 01/01/2021 11:44 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - R. Wilke - 01/01/2021 03:30 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/01/2021 07:28 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - psy1 - 01/09/2021 12:35 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/09/2021 05:34 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/11/2021 04:01 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/11/2021 05:41 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/12/2021 03:16 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/12/2021 06:34 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/12/2021 06:08 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/13/2021 06:19 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - R. Wilke - 01/13/2021 07:04 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/13/2021 02:03 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/12/2021 07:20 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/13/2021 02:25 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - R. Wilke - 01/11/2021 07:08 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/14/2021 02:57 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/14/2021 09:15 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/18/2021 05:51 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/18/2021 04:45 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/19/2021 03:54 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/19/2021 05:46 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/21/2021 02:33 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/21/2021 07:57 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/22/2021 02:59 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/22/2021 04:40 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/22/2021 09:04 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 01/23/2021 12:40 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 01/25/2021 02:01 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - chandkumar3g - 02/04/2021 10:44 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - jzents - 02/06/2021 09:06 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/06/2021 11:13 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - jzents - 02/08/2021 10:28 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - jzents - 03/03/2021 07:13 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - WriterGuy - 02/13/2021 08:10 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 02/19/2021 06:59 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 04/04/2021 07:12 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 04/06/2021 02:33 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 04/06/2021 02:44 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - WriterGuy - 04/11/2021 05:16 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 04/11/2021 06:54 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - WriterGuy - 04/13/2021 09:16 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 04/13/2021 11:06 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - WriterGuy - 04/14/2021 08:54 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - WriterGuy - 04/14/2021 08:57 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Kryton - 04/15/2021 12:17 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - WriterGuy - 04/15/2021 09:29 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Mav - 04/29/2021 02:03 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - RepeatAfterMe - 04/17/2021 06:40 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/17/2021 05:33 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - RepeatAfterMe - 04/23/2021 08:06 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/23/2021 04:01 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - RepeatAfterMe - 04/28/2021 09:57 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/28/2021 02:04 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Scott Baker - 04/29/2021 07:26 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/29/2021 10:36 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - RepeatAfterMe - 05/04/2021 09:21 AM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - Dragon0978 - 06/05/2021 03:06 PM  
 Running Dragon Professional on MacBook Pro M1   - andyadler - 06/16/2021 05:45 PM  
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Sorry, I can't help solve the precise problem, but you're on the right track with running Dragon in some kind of a Windows VM. The error message sounds like your Windows emulator/VM is a 32-bit system and Dragon wants a 64-bit OS to run on. Maybe vcruntime_x64.exe is what Dragon is looking for, I don't know. I would try to find a small 64-bit test program on the net somewhere - maybe the discussion around such a tool will explain more about 32/64 bitness on your Parallels installation.

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Kevin, are you listening? Perhaps just for a second?

Even in a VM, Dragon always knows whether it is installed on a 32-bit OS or an a 64-it OS, and it will always do the right thing.

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I now realise that I am running Windows dev build 21277 which is a x64 emulation for ARM. Sorry for the confusion. Perhaps Dragon will work with future Windows updates
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I might be picking up one of the new MacBook Air M1 laptops and was wondering how Dragon would do with Windows on a Mac.
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We believe there is a new release of Parallels to support Windows 10 on M1 notebooks but you cannot currently install Dragon on the Windows side.

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 01/11/2021 04:01 AM
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I'm pretty sure Dragon isn't designed for a 32bit Windows anymore, since all Windows versions supported by Dragon are 64bit only.

 

I also read somewhere that Rosetta works for 64bit code only, so I'm wondering how you got a 32bit Windows running anyway.

 

Perhaps you could try a 64bit Windows on ARM version (if there is such a thing)...

 

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 01/11/2021 05:41 AM
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It turns out that I am using a 64x emulation of Windows 10 on ARM. It was introduced in December.  I think they had previously been 32x. Despite this I still get the message "Failed to launch 64 bit server" when I try to open Dragon.  I am hoping that with further Windows updates it might all suddenly work.  

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When the UIAutomation server cannot be started, it probably has to do with session isolation in Windows.

 

Windows has some fairly complicated mechanisms built in to prevent programs interfering with other applications running at a higher trust level, so that malware has a harder time trying to control Windows Explorer, for example.

Long story short, in order to be able to control other applications you have to provide a digitally signed application and Windows must be able to validate the signature, which was a problem in an installation I saw a while ago.

 

You can go to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15" and look at the properties of "dgnuiasvr.exe" and those of "dgnuiasvr_x64.exe" in the x64 subfolder.

On the "Digital signatures" tab you should find a signature from Symantec. Look at the details of this signature. Can it be validated?

If not (for example because some intermediate CA is not installed or not trusted), the UI automation server cannot be started.

 

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Way out of my depth here.  I couldn't find a x64 subfolder, and couldn't find "dgnuiasvr.exe" or "dgnuiasvr_x64.exe".  I am using DPG 15.0, so maybe that is the problem, or perhaps it is just the installation.  I don't want to buy a more modern version if it isn't going to work.

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The address for the 32-bit version is C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\dgnuiasvr.exe

The address for the 64-bit version is C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\x64\dgnuiasvr_x64

 

Are you sure you are using DPG 15.0? Click your DragonBar Help in your file by clicking About Dragon. We believe the 1st release was Ver. 15.4, then 15.5 and now DPG 15.61 which includes a non-expiring download w/Installation/User Guide (including details on fixing 3 dozen sandtraps) and lots of other perks. However, your DPG license includes access to all Dragon downloads and updates at Nuance. You should reach out to your reseller



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Thanks.  I found dgnuiasvr.exe.  It has a digital signature from Nuance Communication, Inc, and it says that this signature is ok.  It doesnt mention Symantec
I can't find a folder x64.

The version of Dragon Profession Individual is 15.00.000.076.  What happened is this: My PC died, I bought a Macbook not realising that Dragon no longer supported Mac (years ago I nearly bought dragon for my iMac, so just assumed it would be available).  I use Dragon all the time for work, and would not have bought a Macbook if I had known.  I installed the beta version of Parrallels on my Macbook and the developer version of Windows.  I went to download Dragon, and found that as I had purchased it over two years ago I couldn't download it.  I contacted Nuance, and they were good enough to let me down load this version.  I have tried to upgrade it, but it doesnt recognise the serial number.  

BTW, I tried using voice control dictation on the mac, but it is just not good enough to make it worth while.  It is easier to type. If a new version of Dragon would work I would buy it, but who knows if it will.

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I can't find a folder x64.

 

Yup, that's because you installed Dragon on a 32-bit Windows, where this folder is not required. You will only find it on 64-bit Windows, and it contains the stuff needed to make the 32-bit Dragon process and everything related compatible.



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Kryton,

 

Yikes, do not use Ver. 15.0, do not go pass go and do not collect $200. Ver. 15.0 was never ready for prime time and should not have been released. The Ver. 15.3 update helped a good deal but it is no longer up-to-date. We recommend installing the Ver. 15.61 to download the non-expiring latest version of Dragon w/Installation/User Guide (including details on fixing 3 dozen sandtraps) and lots of other perks. Note that because of the complexity involved, we are charging a $20 service fee



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Windows Media Player freezes and crashes when we attempt to use the KnowBrainer DISPLAY Numbers or SpeechStart+ SHOW Numbers commands but you can always create Mouse Position commands. Just open the KnowBrainer Manual to page 50 for details. These commands can be written in less than 3 seconds without knowing what you're doing. They are Trump Tested (if Eric can do it, so can you)



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I just read that the last Windows 10 on ARM version only can execute 32bit and 64bit ARM executables natively and that only 32bit x86 executables can run via emulation.

Since the UI automation server consists of 2 executables, one 32bit and one 64bit, I guess we found the reason why Dragon doesn't run on M1/Win10 for ARM yet.

 

Edit:

Oh, I just saw that you're using build 21772, the first version supposed to provide x64 emulation.

Perhaps we just need to give the Windows Insiders a bit more time for testing...

 

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I'm pretty sure Dragon isn't designed for a 32bit Windows anymore, since all Windows versions supported by Dragon are 64bit only.

 

I do a lot of testing and debugging on VM's. I typically set them up as 32-bit Windows, because they run more smoothly. The latest Dragon version which I am currently using in this configuration is DPG 15.60.



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Kryton, I think it could be worth a try to scrap your 32bit Windows and install the 64bit version of build 21277, followed by Dragon 15.6(1).

Afterwards, please tell us your results.

 

I've asked Nuance about support for or tests with Windows on ARM, but it seems as if they're not interested in this platform. The reply I got was that there are no plans to perform tests with Windows on ARM

 

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I re-installed Dragon on the Windows x64 emulation (21286, updated from 21277), and for some reason I was able to update Dragon to 15.61.200.010. It still didn't run, giving the same error message "Failed to launch 64 bit server". The program dgnuiasvr.exe has a digital signature from Symantec with time stamping that seems to be ok. There is still no x64 subfolder.
Many thanks for your help with this
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If there still is no x64 folder it seems as if Dragon installer fails to recognize your system as 64bit.

This can lead to lots of problems, especially since nowadays the vast majority of Windows systems are 64bit and thus there are not many 32bit systems out in the field where strange things can happen because of lack of tests in this environment.

 

I took a quick look into the DLG Windows Installer package and found that the 64bit components are installed only if the installer reports a variable "VersionNT64" to be non-zero.

On your machine this doesn't seem to be the case.

 

Since Nuance is reluctant or unwilling to help, we could try patching the msi file and add some switch to enforce installation of the 64bit components, but that would take quite some effort...

 

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Is this a problem that I should feed back to Windows? I don't know what I am talking about here, but it seems to be a problem to have a Windows 64 emulation that isn't recognised by installers as being 64 bit.
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You could try that, but I'm unsure if it will make any difference, especially since we only have a single installer package seeming to show this behavior.

Without digging too deep into the variables Windows Installer provides on different systems, chances are that Nuance has to choose a different one if they want to support Windows on ARM (which they won't).

 

If you ask Microsoft about your problem, please tell them that it seems as if "VersionNT64" isn't defined in Windows Installer when being run on the Windows 10 on ARM build you're using.

I think that's describing it as precisely as possible, so that any further analysis can start from this point.

 

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Many thanks again. I have provided feedback to Microsoft as suggested, and for now, will keep on typing (rather than dictating).
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Hi again!

Nuance suppport pointed out that the setup log file contains infos about the properties during installation.

You should find the file in C:\ProgramData\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\logs, it is named dgnsetup<Timestamp>.log

 

Could you please post this file so that we can take a look at it?

 

TIA,

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Woohoo!!!! Windows updated to build 21292. Dragon opened. I downloaded Word (Microsoft 365). I have only used Dragon briefly, but it seems to be running fine.
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Great to hear!

Did you reinstall Dragon after your Windows update and if so, has the x64 folder in C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15 been created?

Even though it seems to work now, could you please upload your dgnsetup.log?

 

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I have used Dragon for longer, and it seems fine. I imported my User Profile, and that worked.
I didn't need to reinstall Dragon, it just worked when I updated to 21292. In the release notes for 21292 it says "We're continuing to work on improving x64 emulation on ARM64 thanks to your feedback. This build fixes issues in several apps, including crashes in Zwift, Serif Affinity Photo, and Your Phone as well as blank pages in Steam."
There is still no x64 folder.
How do I upload dgnsetup.log?
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Click on reply, then on the "Attach File(s)" button; a separate window appears.

In this window, click on "Select file", browse for your dgnsetup*.log and upload it.

Then select the file in your file list and click "Attach File" at the bottom of the window.

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I have just updated Windows to build 21296 (it seemed like a good idea at the time) and Dragon stopped running and gave the same message "Failed to launch 64 bit server". I ran the program suggested here but it didn't help: "For Insiders using x64 apps on ARM64, there is an updated preview of the ARM64 C++ redistributable (version 14.28.29812) now available to install from https://aka.ms/arm64previewredist. This updated redist adds vcruntime140_1.dll and fixes crashes occurring in a number of CAD applications."
I have provided feedback to Windows



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Sorry to say Kryton, but unless you provide me with the information I've requested repeatedly, I'm unable to help you and can't invest more time in your on/off installation.
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I now realise that I am running Windows dev build 21277 which is a x64 emulation for ARM. Sorry for the confusion.
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I am currently running Dragon on Windows in Parallels 16. Dumb question, how do I tell if I have 64 or 32 bit windows. If I have 32, which would not surprise me, can it be upgraded and would that make any difference for Dragon?

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You really have to go out of your way to obtain a 32-bit version of Windows 10. It seems likely that you are using the 64-bit version.

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Surprisingly, I was running 32-bit Windows.  When I installed on parallels, I had two copies of Windows 7. One was 32-bit, one was 64-bit. I didn't pay enough attention and when I installed it, I used the 32-bit version Windows 7. Thus I got a 32 bit version of Windows 10.  So, I just recently created a new Windows installation with the 64-bit version of Windows 7 which allowed me to install 64-bit Windows 10. It has made a big difference. I do think that Dragon is running a bit better. Still have problems with Dragon capture messing up Accuracy tuning, even when I quit it before I run tuning. But overall things are working a bit better.



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Just came across this thread, and wondered if there were any new developments. I currently run DPI 15.3 using Parallels 14 on an old Macbook Pro (old as in 2014), and am considering upgrading to a new Macbook Air with an M1 chip. I would only do that, however, if I could continue to run DPI using Parallels. Would that actually work? :-)

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I am now using Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview Build 21318.rs on my MacBook M1 using Parallels. I still get the message "Failed to launch 64 bit server" when I try to run DPI 15. When I was using Windows build 21292 DPI worked perfectly, which shows that at heart the software is compatible and should be able to be made to work, but it stopped working when Windows updated. DPI didn't work in earlier versions than 21292, with the same message.
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I am now using Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview Build 21343 on MacBook Pro M1 using Parallels. I reinstalled DPI 15 and it works fine. I think I will turn off Windows updates incase it stops working again!
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Thanks for this report - seems as if MS has fixed some of the Windows Installer properties with build 21343 or else you'd still get the "Failed to launch 64bit server" error.

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And DPI 15 really does work well. I have been swapping backwards and forwards between MS Word documents in Big Sur and Windows, and dictating on Word docs in Windows. It is efficient as it could be under the circumstances, and a complete relief after trying to use the two Apple dictation options on the MacBook.
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That's very exciting to hear! Are things still going smoothly? I had pretty much written off the possibility of running DPI on an M1 machine anytime soon, but this is very encouraging.

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Yes, it is going smoothly. The Parallels Desktop works very well. Windows is working but I don't use it for anything else but to run MS Word and DPI. Microsoft Edge works well and it is possible to download ok. I also use DPI on Parallels on a 10 year old iMac: DPI certainly runs better on the MacBook Pro.
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That's fantastic! I did not know that this was possible yet. I use Parallels almost exclusively to run DPI 15 and MS Word in Windows 7. I rely on that combination very heavily for work, and while I would like to get a new M1 machine, I have been very hesitant to do so because I assumed I would lose that capability. In fact, I figured it was time to switch back to a Windows laptop. Nice to know I was wrong! :-) So it doesn't laggy? No hiccups? Do you have to stick with the same Windows 10 build, or is it now stable with subsequent builds? And is all this still considered beta? (As you can tell, I'm still a bit nervous about stepping into the unknown...)

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DPI runs well, it isn't laggy, no hiccups, but despite this I am not confident. DPI 15 suddenly started working when Windows build 21292 was rolled out. Then with the next Windows update it stopped working. I just waited hoping that it would start working again on subsequent Windows updates, but then gave up and re-installed DPI 15 on Windows Build 21318, and it worked. It may have worked on earlier Windows builds if I had re-installed. I am only using DPI 15.00 as I am not game to change anything. I have delayed updates to Windows. It makes such a difference to my work having DPI available that I am not keen to experiment, so I don't know how robust it all is. Such a shame that Nuance isn't interested as some advice would be helpful.
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Thank you so much for this, Kryton. In the absence of any information from Nuance, learning about your experience is invaluable. To be honest, I still don't know what to do; since I can't work without DPI, I am wary of investing in an M1 machine until the prospect of running the program without complications is more certain. Hopefully, that is just a matter of time. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft's acquisition of Nuance has any impact on all this...

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ps Read the comments section of this blog post for another user's experience trying to get DPI to run on an M1 machine (despite the original blog post title, they did manage to do so -- but with limitations): https://scottbakerbooks.com/2020/11/13/dragon-mac-apple-silicon-time-to-buy-pc/#comments



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Here is a release from the Parallels people that I just received: "We are pleased to announce that we have officially released an update to Parallels Desktop 16 and it is now fully compatible with the Apple M1 chip Mac. The Technical Preview has ended as of April 14th, 2021^. If you have a Technical Preview build running, simply check for updates. If not, you may download Parallels Desktop from this link: http://www.parallels.com/directdownload/pd/."
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Well, that's good news! Is it safe to assume that once there is a final release of Windows 10 for ARM, it will be possible to run DPI 15 on an M1 machine without any difficulty? Or are there still potential problems ahead?

Mav, if you are still following this thread, you pointed out earlier that Nuance had no plans to perform tests with Windows on ARM, and wasn't interested in supporting the platform. What do you think that means for the future of this combination (Parallels/Windows/DPI on an M1 machine)? Even if we can make this work for now, is it only a matter of time before things run aground?

 

Edit: Scott Baker, who writes about Dragon, also had this gloomy thought about the long-term prospects:

"The Windows on ARM OS is still just a developer time-limited beta. There’s no way to buy a licence and there may never be."



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Originally posted by: WriterGuy Mav, if you are still following this thread, you pointed out earlier that Nuance had no plans to perform tests with Windows on ARM, and wasn't interested in supporting the platform. What do you think that means for the future of this combination (Parallels/Windows/DPI on an M1 machine)?

 

Personally, I don't expect unforeseen problems related to Windows on ARM to suddenly popup now that Dragon is working on current prerelease builds.

 

The heavy lifting is being performed by the x86 and x64 emulation anyway and this is neither specific for Dragon nor the reason why it didn't work out of the box with earlier prereleases.

 

The only reason why Dragon would not run correctly (i.e. show the "Failed to launch 64bit server" message) under earlier previews was that during installation Dragon's setup wouldn't recognize the target system as 64bit due to a missing installer property.

 

Obviously Microsoft has added this property now so the system will look like a regular Windows 10 machine to Dragon's setup.

 

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I have this up and running well on the base M1 Air. The only problem is reloading profiles.
My profile loads and works perfectly but on restart I get
"The vocabulary you have chosen 'General - Large' is incompatible or invalid."

I have tried setting windows RAM to 2,4 or 5GB (of 8GB total) with no effect.
I have also used up to 4 of 8 cores on the windows VM.

Does anyone know how to resolve this?
Are others having or not having this issue?

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                    Welcome (See Mission Statement)

 

It sounds like the vocabulary, in your user profile, is corrupted. You have 2 options:

 

Option 1. Switch to your backup user profile. You'll find details on this procedure under the Quick Tips button at the top of this page.

 

Option 2. You can create a new user profile but if you have created any commands or vocabulary entries that you would like to preserve (not training), you can export your commands and vocabulary to use in your new user. 

PS: We are not certain but this corruption may have occurred during the default Run Accuracy Tuning feature which we prefer not to use. You'll find this and 3 dozen additional recommendations in the KnowBrainer Dragon Installation/Training Guide, which is complementary to our Dragon customers.



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?? thanks

 

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After rereading your original message we now realize you only have 8 GB of RAM. Do not try to split your RAM with Parallels or other virtual desktop. Boot entirely into Windows via Boot Camp so that you can dedicate your entire 8 Gb of RAM to Dragon. 8 Gb is fairly minimal for Dragon.

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Originally posted by: Lunis Orcutt After rereading your original message we now realize you only have 8 GB of RAM. Do not try to split your RAM with Parallels or other virtual desktop. Boot entirely into Windows via Boot Camp so that you can dedicate your entire 8 Gb of RAM to Dragon. 8 Gb is fairly minimal for Dragon.


Thanks, the RAM might be an issue but it is M1/ARM and so in many cases RAM use is much more efficient. No bootcamp and I need to work on MacOS. 

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We've never heard of a Mac computer without boot camp and recommend checking that out with a Mac source. 4 Gb of RAM is all that you can share on a virtual desktop and while Nuance says it will work, it barely works and simply isn't enough. You will probably need to double your RAM if want to be able to switch back and forth between Mac and Windows



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Originally posted by: Lunis Orcutt We've never heard of a Mac computer without boot camp and recommend checking that out with a Mac source. 4 Gb of RAM is all that you can share on a virtual desktop and while Nuance says it will work, it barely works and simply isn't enough. You will probably need to double your RAM if want to be able to switch back and forth between Mac and Windows

 

Boot Camp does not run on the new M1 Macs; it cannot even be installed. These Macs use an ARM processor (Apple Silicon) that cannot run x86 operating systems.

 

The only way to run Windows is by installing the new Parallels Desktop 16.5 with M1 compatibility. However, this will only run the Windows on ARM (WoA) Developer Preview, available in the Windows Insider program. This will emulate x86/64 programs such as Dragon with varying degrees of success.

 

Unfortunately the WoA previews are time-limited and cannot be licensed as Microsoft provides it to OEMs only. There is no consumer license available so it's not an ideal way to be running Dragon or any other x86 program on an M1 Mac - though it will work.

 

RAM cannot be added to the M1 Macs either. It is soldered SoC "unified" memory and the max configuration available at purchase is 16Gb, presumably a limitation of the M1 ARM chip.



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Thanks for that update. This looks like a couple of reasons to avoid Macs in Dragon situations

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My base model 8gb M1 is now working perfectly with a new profile in dual display, macbook windows and external showing macos. Quite unbelievable how well it is working so far. Parallels.



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I might be in wrong forum, but here's my story. Coming from a MBP 2018 I9 with 32gb ram; bought new Mac Mini w/16GB ram, Dragon Medical 4.3 WILL NOT WORK on Parallels 16.5 using the emulator (Ubuntu); correct that, it "works," meaning it will inconsistently pickup audio and spit out words with about 5% accuracy. I think I might have to go PC with this or get the latest/refurbished Intel MBP to suit my needs (I need it to work with the 27 ultra fine for my home office); or just stick it out with my current MBP, but I was really hoping for a performance/speed bump all around, and was excited about transitioning to the M1 Chips - till now. Just my 2 cents.
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I'm also now running DPI 15 on a MacBook Air M1, with the base 8 GB memory configuration, under Parallels and Win 10 ARM, and have had excellent results (surprising, really) dictating directly into the MacBook's built-in microphone array. I've been less successful getting Dragon to recognize input from my Andrea USB headset -- it shows up under Windows Sound settings and in a Profile creation, but I can't get any sound to be heard from the mic. Presumably there's some setting in Parallels that's not quite right, and I'm going to try another external microphone to see if I there's any difference. But happily the built-in mic in the Air is pretty much flawless.

Any suggestions about getting the Andrea working would be welcome. Thanks so much, and regards from New Orleans...A.
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