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Topic Title: Toast notification
Topic Summary: Curious CCleaner finding in registry
Created On: 02/10/2021 01:57 PM
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 Toast notification   - DennisHallack - 02/10/2021 01:57 PM  
 Toast notification   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/10/2021 09:13 PM  
 Toast notification   - dilligence - 02/10/2021 10:00 PM  
 Toast notification   - Mav - 02/11/2021 02:10 AM  
 Toast notification   - monkey8 - 02/12/2021 08:27 AM  
 Toast notification   - Mav - 02/15/2021 02:50 AM  
 Toast notification   - monkey8 - 02/16/2021 05:42 AM  
 Toast notification   - dilligence - 02/16/2021 12:03 PM  
 Toast notification   - Mav - 02/17/2021 02:05 AM  
 Toast notification   - monkey8 - 02/18/2021 06:16 AM  
 Toast notification   - DennisHallack - 03/17/2021 01:12 PM  
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DennisHallack
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Running CCleaner I am finding this entry with some regularity:

 

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{265b1075-d22b-41eb-bc97-87568f3e6dab}]

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{265b1075-d22b-41eb-bc97-87568f3e6dab}\LocalServer32]

"C:\\Windows\\SysWOW64\\Speech_OneCore\\Common\\SpeechRuntime.exe -ToastNotifier"

Anyone know what this is / means?
Thanks,
Dennis


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 02/10/2021 09:13 PM
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Lunis Orcutt
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We don't know what this error means but we strongly recommend against using CCleaner or any Windows register editor unless it's time for a Hail Mary. These types of utilities can cause registry damage

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 02/10/2021 10:00 PM
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dilligence
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These entries probably have to do with displayed (toast/balloon) notifications in the system tray about built in Microsoft TTS voices (and/or Cortana). 

 

Looks like the Speech_OneCore files are in the correct location (not suspicious).

 

Lunis is correct to best leave registry entries alone. If you do need a cleanup it is better to use WiseCleaner instead of CCleaner.



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 02/11/2021 02:10 AM
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Good morning!

As Lunis and dilligence said: Don't manually modify the registry unless you're 100% sure you know what you're doing.

The entries under HKCR\CLSID are essential for COM to work - that's a way for applications to create and use components and to know which functionality these components provide.

If you remove such a (completely normal and in no way dangerous as such) entry, the application(s) trying to find that component will fail and probably spit out weird error messages since no developer is expecting a user to actively remove part of the infrastructure for fun. 

So please once more: Don't touch it!

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 02/12/2021 08:27 AM
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In part repeating what others have said they are to do with Cortana so leave them alone as suggested. There can be thousands of CLSIDs (GUIDs for various COM interfaces) in your registry e.g. each Dragon object has one for example and Dragon would not run without them.

 

I have never understood why people use registry cleaners? I have been using Windows for 25+ years and have never once used a registry cleaner. They cause a lot more problems than they resolve, leave maintenance of the registry to Windows. They make arbitrary decisions, for example, to remove entries they consider that Windows no longer uses like SAPI 5 32-bit entries which can cause problems with SAPI 5 based speech applications from third parties as a simple example.



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 02/15/2021 02:50 AM
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Registry cleaners present a solution for a problem they made up themselves IMHO.

In this regard it's an excellent marketing coup, but in reality no one needs them.

 

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 02/16/2021 05:42 AM
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Yes indeed and if you want to be even more cynical you could ask yourself who created the initial viruses that anti-virus software now prevents? :-)



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 02/16/2021 12:03 PM
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Not always, I've encountered an exception to that rule a while ago.

The recent Windows updates at that time introduced and annoying focusing problem with several applications like Thunderbird, Notepad and even Windows Explorer. 

These applications would launch without taking the focus but were "blinking" in the taskbar instead. Other people reported this problem as well.

 

Nothing seemed to help until I did a thorough (registry) cleanup with the above mentioned WiseCleaner tool. That completely solved the problem. I was able to reproduce this after several other Windows updates.

 

I have to say that I'm not completely sure whether it had to do with the registry module or the other cleaning modules in WiseCleaner. Maybe the focusing issue was the result of a rogue Config or Temp file. But again, problem solved without any damage to my system at all.



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 02/17/2021 02:05 AM
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The effect you describe came from a change MS had introduced way back to prevent arbitrary applications from stealing the focus by popping into front.

Before this had been introduced, quite often if you were typing somewhere, some application thought it was a good idea to popup some window, removing focus from your editor and thus interrupting your typing - the elderly among us might remember .

The change was to introduce a timeout - a background application was allowed to be brought to front only if the foreground application hasn't handled user input for a while.

Otherwise, the other application would only get a flashing taskbar icon.

 

You could (and still can) modify this duration in the registry key HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop\ForegroundLockTimeout (value in milliseconds).

 

hth,

mav

 

 02/18/2021 06:16 AM
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Something I pointed out way back in Windows 7 days in 2012. Used to be a particular problem with certain applications even then.

 

https://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=13898&highlight_key=y&keyword1=ForegroundLockTimeout#74916



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 03/17/2021 01:12 PM
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DennisHallack
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I appreciate all of the input.

 

The attached picture from group policy editor shows how to deal with toast notifications, which are not important enough to bother with in the first place, I have learned. Even though there is a mention of "speech" in the notification, it does not seem to have anything to do with speech recognition processes that I employ in my work.

 

As to registry cleaners, the obsessive-compulsive amongst us understand the need for compulsively cleaning the registry. A couple of years back CCleaner had a major snafu and uploaded some kind of malware to servers. I wasn't affected by that and have never had any trouble with it. I fully expect that compulsively running CCleaner every time I close down the computer is accomplishing nothing for me, but the immense satisfaction of seeing 'cleaning' of the computer is worthwhile to me. FYI – I use the free version, only.

 

Cheers!



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