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Topic Title: Weird recognition of "title these are"
Topic Summary: Dragon inserts a period
Created On: 01/12/2021 06:22 PM
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 Weird recognition of "title these are"   - kkkwj - 01/12/2021 06:22 PM  
 Weird recognition of   - Alan Cantor - 01/12/2021 07:10 PM  
 Weird recognition of   - kkkwj - 01/12/2021 09:09 PM  
 Weird recognition of   - Alan Cantor - 01/12/2021 09:30 PM  
 Weird recognition of   - kkkwj - 01/14/2021 01:12 AM  
 Weird recognition of   - R. Wilke - 01/14/2021 08:19 PM  
 Weird recognition of   - kkkwj - 01/15/2021 02:01 AM  
 Weird recognition of   - R. Wilke - 01/15/2021 05:10 AM  
 Weird recognition of   - kkkwj - 01/16/2021 09:35 PM  
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I encountered a weird recognition today. Inexplicable to me. Dragon inserts a period after "title" in the utterance "title these are." Here are things I saw in the recognition box when I spoke all of them. The ones with no (uttered..) were recognized correctly.

 

title

title these

title these three times

title. These are not (uttered "title these are not")

title. These are (uttered "title these are")

title not these

title other are

title random are

title. These are (uttered "title these are")

 

I checked my vocabulary editor for custom words, words with punctuation, and all the other categories in the vocabulary editor drop down. Nothing. No custom words of any kind involving "title" or "these."

 

I checked the command browser too (not that it should apply in this case, when I see the period problem in the recognition box). I can't imagine why Dragon thinks I'm saying "title period these are" when I am saying "title these are." The two utterances are far apart.

 

And because the issue shows in the recognition box, I think the problem is not related to any scripts that I have installed. It should be occuring before any scripts are inspected.

 

Does anyone have ideas to try to resolve the issue? I've never seen it before, in years of using Dragon. I just happened to utter those words today, and saw the problem. Thank you



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 01/12/2021 07:10 PM
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Perhaps you accidentally turned on automatic punctuation.

If not: Exit Dragon, shut down your computer, and reboot.

If that doesn't fix the problem, my inclination would be to create a new profile.
 01/12/2021 09:09 PM
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Alan+++! You nailed it. I found the "Auto-Formatting Options" dialog box, and sure enough - the "Automatically add commas and periods" option was enabled. (No, I didn't ever set that option - I've never been inside that dialog, as far as I remember.) Problem solved! Thank you!

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 01/12/2021 09:30 PM
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Glad that fixed it.

You may have turned on the option by accident. If Dragon interpreted something you said as "autopunctuation on" the feature became enabled.
 01/14/2021 01:12 AM
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Ah, that might be possible, given that I never manually set it on. Thank you again for solving the puzzle.

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 01/14/2021 08:19 PM
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Kevin, when such things happen, the recognition history will always be your friend.

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 01/15/2021 02:01 AM
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Thanks RW. I used the recognition box extensively because it was so repeatable. I admit that I never looked back through the recognition history. I would have thought that if the setting was on, commas and periods would show up more often throughout my dictation. But maybe I always dictate the proper punctuation perfectly (smiling), so there was no need for Dragon to insert anything.

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 01/15/2021 05:10 AM
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Keep in mind that the results box always "only" shows the preliminary results, prior to finishing the result, and may not be the "real thing" for that matter. The whole idea of using it was to signal recognition going on already before displaying the result, because users might assume that Dragon isn't even working otherwise. And because, during the recognition process, hypotheses are generated anyway, it was easy enough to use them for that purpose. Because many people also found it to be in the way or distracting somehow, it was replaced for the "rotating flame"as the default later on. That much for history.

As regards auto-punctuation, I am not sure about the algorithms being used in it, and how mixing automatic punctuation with "manual" punctuation interact with each other, also since I haven't used it that much. It seems that pausing plays a role in it, and then some syntactical rules maybe, which may have kicked in as regards a combination such as "title these are" which made me wonder in which context it might be even used. But then, Dragon certainly has no grammatical knowledge of any kind.

All in all, auto-punctuation seems more of a gimmick than something really useful.

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 01/16/2021 09:35 PM
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Yes, I agree. I remember trying the auto-punctuation thing a decade ago. Yes, you had to pause for it to occur. Yes, it worked correctly some of the time, but lots of the time created the need for more corrections than it was worth. It was far easier to say comma or period than to correct the mistakes. That's why I was surprised to see the checkbox enabled. I would never have done that myself. Oh well. It's working now, and Alan saved me quickly! :-)

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