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Topic Title: Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program
Topic Summary: I'd love to see how the masters work by voice
Created On: 10/18/2020 06:28 PM
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 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/18/2020 06:28 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 10/20/2020 12:49 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - supee - 10/21/2020 02:04 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/21/2020 01:36 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 10/21/2020 02:32 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 10/21/2020 06:15 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - wristofdoom - 02/28/2021 02:53 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 02/28/2021 03:13 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - wristofdoom - 03/01/2021 11:32 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 03/01/2021 03:08 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/21/2020 08:43 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 10/22/2020 11:00 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/22/2020 11:55 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 10/22/2020 02:52 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 10/22/2020 01:55 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/22/2020 02:04 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/22/2020 04:29 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 10/22/2020 05:29 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/22/2020 07:58 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - gasolo - 10/23/2020 11:07 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 10/25/2020 01:18 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - gasolo - 10/31/2020 04:48 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 11/01/2020 05:20 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - gasolo - 11/01/2020 06:48 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 11/08/2020 02:33 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 11/08/2020 07:45 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 11/09/2020 04:05 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - R. Wilke - 11/16/2020 08:42 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Matt_Chambers - 11/16/2020 10:11 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 11/17/2020 11:48 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 11/16/2020 10:04 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - R. Wilke - 11/16/2020 10:56 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mav - 11/17/2020 06:47 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - R. Wilke - 11/17/2020 03:15 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mav - 11/18/2020 01:41 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - R. Wilke - 11/19/2020 02:30 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Lunis Orcutt - 11/17/2020 12:14 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 02/20/2021 08:15 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 02/21/2021 12:43 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - R. Wilke - 02/27/2021 01:28 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 02/27/2021 03:14 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 02/27/2021 04:52 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 02/26/2021 04:20 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 03/17/2021 02:36 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 03/17/2021 10:23 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Zig - 03/17/2021 03:24 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 03/19/2021 12:17 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 03/20/2021 10:11 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 03/20/2021 07:03 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 03/21/2021 07:39 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - monkey8 - 03/21/2021 10:37 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 03/21/2021 07:28 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 03/22/2021 04:31 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - mlavin - 03/28/2021 02:00 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 04/02/2021 10:55 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 04/14/2021 02:54 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Edgar - 04/14/2021 03:17 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Zig - 04/14/2021 06:14 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/14/2021 06:56 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 04/14/2021 10:28 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 04/16/2021 01:27 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 04/20/2021 02:46 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - alexander - 04/21/2021 11:45 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 04/26/2021 05:43 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Mphillipson - 04/29/2021 09:16 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - kkkwj - 07/16/2021 03:38 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Tiger Feet - 07/25/2021 10:17 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Lunis Orcutt - 07/25/2021 01:47 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Tiger Feet - 07/29/2021 04:26 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Lunis Orcutt - 07/29/2021 12:48 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 07/29/2021 01:43 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Tiger Feet - 07/30/2021 08:30 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - ax - 07/30/2021 10:52 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 07/30/2021 09:35 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Tiger Feet - 08/03/2021 10:07 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 08/03/2021 09:57 PM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - Tiger Feet - 08/04/2021 09:33 AM  
 Videos of how the experts use Dragon/KB/Utilities to work, write, and program   - dilligence - 08/05/2021 03:47 PM  
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Yes, this will be great and I will like to see something like this also. Sometimes seeing it in a video makes people aware more what Dragin is capable of.
Over to you, experts please!

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I was inspired by Mark’s posting not have video on how he moves across the screen with his grid pasted to his monitor. Thanks Mark!

 

I thought I would keep the trend going by posting a video of my own. In this video I show how I jump to a folder using scripts that I just got working this morning. I have full use of my hands, keyboard, and mouse, so those are not issues for me. I am trying to use voice to become more productive than I can using the normal keyboard and mouse actions.

 

The first part of the video shows how I jump to a folder in a tab in the file manager in an intelligent way. The software figures out if a tab holding the folder exists, creates one if it does not, and jumps to one if one does exist. I'm using a technique of "typing" in a pathname to the filemanager to jump to a location. (I learned that method from Alan Cantor some time ago. Thanks Alan! It works great.)

 

The second part of the video shows how I activate applications and move them to named locations on the screen (“front” is such a location). I named the locations because I always like my applications in the same place on the screen.

 

The third part of the video shows some Microsoft Word up operations that I use regularly to set the styles of document headings and position images beside the text in the document. The video shows how the software resizes the image, gives it the right attributes, moves it to the right and border, and draws a border around the image. In addition, the video shows how scripts can distribute a series of images vertically to make them look nice in the document.

 

For the record, my code is spread across Dragon scripting, Microsoft VBA, C#, DOS batch files, and some scripting within other applications (KnowBrainer, Adobe, or XYPlorer as in this video). It’s a hodge-podge of scripts.

 

I hope the video is interesting to you!

 

(Sorry to say, but this link no longer works. Posting the two videos here exceeded my monthly bandwidth limit on Screencast within a couple of days, so I deleted them to repost on YouTube. Unfortunately, I had never saved them on my local machine (I upload straight from the video tool), so they're gone forever. (sigh). Maybe I'll post revised versions if there's enough interest.)

https://www.screencast.com/t/seG5MlpDLet

 



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Inspired I was!



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I hope you'll cut me some slack! I've never tried to make a recording like this before (audio & video) and I had to find some software to do the job! After trying out a few I eventually settled on SpaceX for the recording and OpenShot to do editing (although both of these clips are unedited). If I were ever to do this again I would script it out with scenes and dialog! Both clips were created entirely hands-free; DragonUsage1 is a second take and DragonUsage2 required 8 takes to get as far as I got (and I'm not extremely happy with it).


The first video (DragonUsage1 - 7:21 long) shows examples of some common tasks in my daily routine - using Chrome to surf the web, Visual Studio to edit code and Notepad for plain text creation (I don't do much styled text anymore so did not show the use of Word nor OpenOffice Writer). Cory J (my Correct That replacement) is also featured at the end using Notepad for dictation and correction. Here is the link in my Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxp1e5x45r7jb28/DragonUsage1.mp4?dl=0


The second video (DragonUsage2 - 6:17 long) focuses on using Explorer++ to navigate file system. I very briefly demonstrate how it can be driven by voice and a few of the features that set it apart from Windows Explorer. Here is the link in my Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gejoh6q3j2eqep4/DragonUsage2.mp4?dl=0


Throughout both I use my Mouse Grid replacements (Screen Grid, Monitor Grid #, & Window Grid) for mouse positioning.



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Hi Edgar,

 

In the first video, I noticed that you spelled out "bool" letter by letter, instead of simply saying the word "bool." Why is that?

 

Is this because it's bad practice to add entirely new words with pronunciation that needs to be trained to the user profile? Or is it just not a word that you use often enough?



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Originally posted by: wristofdoom 

 

In the first video, I noticed that you spelled out "bool" letter by letter, instead of simply saying the word "bool." Why is that?

"bool" has been added to my Dragon® custom words dictionary. Unfortunately, even though I have trained it carefully Dragon® does not like the word out of context. This seems to be a common problem for me. I have tried various workarounds. An advanced script which looks something like: Abbreviate <list>; where list in this case as things like "structure", "boolean" etc. (I think part of the problem is that when I dictate the word Boolean - as you can see -  in context, it comes out capitalized.)

"letters bravo Oscar Oscar Lima" trips off my tongue through years of practice <grin>. "puff boolean" or "puff bool" is a new attempt and my tongue muscles must be taught.

As to hesitancy to add custom words - for me, not at all. I have lots, probably too many.



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Thanks, good to know.

What are the window grid/screen grid commands that you use? Are those a plug-in that's available to download? Or are those custom scripts you've created? They don't seem to be commands that come built into Dragon or Knowbrainer.



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Originally posted by: wristofdoom
What are the window grid/screen grid commands that you use? Are those a plug-in that's available to download? Or are those custom scripts you've created? They don't seem to be commands that come built into Dragon or Knowbrainer.


These are three separate applications I wrote and released as public domain. Each are multi-monitor aware and have suitable preferences (such as changing the font and the grid - line thickness, number of rows and number of columns). They are stored in my Dropbox and accessible via the various threads.

Screen Grid (puts a single grid covering all of your monitors) is available here:
https://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=25&threadid=34643&highlight_key=y

Monitor Grid (you specify the monitor and it puts a grid on just that monitor):
https://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=25&threadid=34720&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Offering

Window Grid (puts a grid on just the active window):
https://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=25&threadid=34692&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Offering

Each comes with a Readme.txt file which contains the driver commands (all of which work in either Dragon® or KnowBrainer). There are downloads available for "just the application" (with its appropriate readme) as well as Microsoft® Visual Studio 2017 solutions for all three individual applications.

Since this is a "share your video" thread I suppose I needs must create a specific video which covers all three of their usages.



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++10 Edgar! Wow, your videos amazed me. They were exactly what I was hoping for when I posted this thread. I'm sure your videos will expand minds for a long time into the future because you show how easy it is to move around and get things done. I'm almost totally useless in Visual Studio except for a few SendKeys scripts to fire a few menu items, whereas you've got error windows open on multiple monitors and can jump around easily. I'll have to investigate your "letters" command and get myself to memorize an alphabet when I get the time. Your 4-box video format to show your three monitors was educational too - I've never seen that done before. (I just used SnagIt to make my video.) Thank you for the visual on your grid tool too - seeing it in action has way more punch than just reading about it in the forum. Thank you so much for your contribution! You're clearly one of the masters.

 

PS. I searched for "spacex video recording tool" but only got Elon's rockets. Do you have a link for the SpaceX and video editing tool that you mention? Thank you



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Originally posted by: kkkwj  You're clearly one of the masters.

PS. I searched for "spacex video recording tool" but only got Elon's rockets. Do you have a link for the SpaceX and video editing tool that you mention?

"SpaceX" - that was either a speak-o or just more old age creeping in… I meant to say "ShareX" it's open source and on GitHub:
https://github.com/ShareX/ShareX/releases/tag/v13.2.1

For my simple needs I can operate it entirely hands-free. In the default mode it has a minor (but possibly surmountable without changing the code) problem with keyboard shortcuts - it inserts global shortcuts (not application-specific) to start recording a video, make a screen grab and make a window capture (start recording a video is "shift print screen"). Even when the application is NOT running, this overrides ALL the OS-built-in "print screen" varieties. If I'm going to continue to use this application I will need to circumvent that by changing these shortcuts so that they do not interfere with my HIGHLY used macros which make use of the OS-built-in varieties. I also do not like the fact that they are not application-specific and work even when ShareX has not been started. On my 1920x1080 monitor the application’s interface font is way too small - once I get the application compiling that will be the second thing I address. If I go any further the third thing I would address would be to drastically modify the GUI so that it is voice-actuation friendly.

I'm probably not really a "master". You might have heard of the expression "Jack-of-all-trades, master of none" - that, or "dilettante" might better describe me. I'm 70 years old and mental challenges, that used to be trivial to overcome, now require some effort. Twenty years ago I might well have been a "master" in a number of trades - including programming - but now I find myself spending more time reading reference material to remind myself "how to" than actually writing productive code.



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Hi Edgar, I'm only a few years behind you, and I know the feeling well of spending time reading my old notes and references to remember how to do something. I think a person just gets so much knowledge in their head over the years that the brain starts flushing it from RAM to disk to make room for current information. As best I can, that's why I document my code and dictate notes into Word to make reloading it into my head easier.


Thank you for the ShareX link. ShareX records multiple monitors at once, yes? And then did you chop and edit your three monitors into the 4-cell grid manually, or did OpenShot somehow do that automatically? I thought the 4-cell display of 4 monitors was very helpful.

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Originally posted by: kkkwj  ShareX records multiple monitors at once, yes? And then did you chop and edit your three monitors into the 4-cell grid manually, or did OpenShot somehow do that automatically? I thought the 4-cell display of 4 monitors was very helpful.

I tried a small handful of recorders; some (like ShareX) record "all or nothing" in the way of monitors. Others allow you to pick and choose or only allow you to record the Primary monitor. It's not always easy from the review blurbs to tell what any given application does in this regard. In the case of ShareX it records the entire "desktop" which Windows defines as a rectangular region just large enough to encompass all attached monitors (whether they are powered on or not). In my case I have 3 monitors, all the same resolution (1920x1080, all at 100% scaling) arranged:
2 | 1
3

where 1 is primary, 2 is secondary and 3 is tertiary. Unfortunately, Windows includes that region below the primary monitor, to the right of the tertiary monitor, as part of the "desktop". In an old map this would be marked "Here be dragons!". It is quite possible to move the mouse into that region and windows often seem to end up down there "accidentally". It's even possible to arrange her monitors (virtually) so that they do not line up - neither horizontally nor vertically - the only requirement is that any given monitor must have at least some tiny common border area with some other monitor.

As for OpenShot - it ended up being a real nightmare, causing massive conflicts with Dragon. I ended up having to uninstall it. Windows 8 came with a built-in video editor - lightweight but which worked just fine. As I recall, Microsoft stop distributing it; but it, or something like it, should be available.



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How to use the multi-caret functionality in Visual Studio.

 

This is one command that works better by voice than it would by keyboard.

 

The command name is:

 

Select Matching <1to20>

 

The code is as follows:

 

Sub Main

Dim integerCounter as Integer

For integerCounter = 1 to Val(ListVar1)

 SendKeys "+%."

 Wait 0.1

Next

End Sub

 

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Microsoft Visual Studio

 

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Hi Mark, that tip was great! You made it look so easy - "left select" and "camel processName" - much easier than typing, I think. (FYI, your YouTube video audio is very low - I had to crank up my volume a lot to hear you.)

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Here is a short video that shows how I enter data into an Excel spreadsheet for my time log. I used several homebrew commands to enter the text and automatically tab between cells. Some commands emit the dictation entitled case, some with leading case, and some with no special casing at all.

Naturally, because it is a demo, there are a few errors and misrecognitions!

One of the interesting things is that this video shows chained commands in action.

The benefit of chained commands is that you do not have to wait around for Dragon to recognize or execute your first command before you issue a second command. In this video, I issue four commands that are chained together.

The downside of chained commands is that if you botch any one of the commands (which I do), the whole utterance must be repeated.

 

 

(Sorry to say, but this link no longer works. Posting the two videos here exceeded my monthly bandwidth limit on Screencast within a couple of days, so I deleted them to repost on YouTube. Unfortunately, I had never saved them on my local machine (I upload straight from the video tool), so they're gone forever. (sigh). Maybe I'll post revised versions if there's enough interest.)

https://www.screencast.com/t/1jBOhhJTzi

 



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How are you implementing your chained commands?

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I catch the incoming text, parse it on the comma/comma boundaries, then loop over the list of commands and dispatch them one at a time. Of course, there are a zillion Dragon scripting/C#/ExcelVBA details within that simple structure.

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That is an awesome idea. I would also like to see some very brief basic videos on how people do useful everyday things using voice and all the other programs like Knowbrainer, Speech productivity, DragonCapture etc.

It would be good if a new category was created called something like how "I use voice". For example, I am an online university instructor. I wouldn't mind doing a simple video on how I use speech programs to post and respond to student postings. 

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Hi Gasolo, please feel free to contribute a video of how you do your work! I imagine that everything will help to expand the worldview of forum readers. Thank you.

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I am for sure not an expert and I apologize this took so long. This is a basic video of how I use Dragon and in this application Speech Productivity to teach an online class discussion board segment.

 

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Hi Gary, thank you for your video. I know that the SP Pro dictation box is awesome, and you showed a wonderful use of the automatic read back feature. I know from experience that you can often hear grammatical errors even when you cannot see them.

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Thanks for your comment. Speech productivity has always been the best way to dictate, see and edit. But, that ability to transfer and read at the same time makes it a killer app if you are doing alot of text box inputting.I also use it for speed grading. That means I dictate into the SP all in one box and that becomes the student comment on their gradebook. If you need to be 1000% confident that what you wanted to write is what they see, the SP box is awesome.



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Demonstrate the problem in Visual Studio with DPI 15.6 (pre-release version)

 

Then demonstrate the workaround.

 

Then demonstrate entering a block of code in Visual Studio Code with just Windows Speech Recognition/Azure Speech Service.

 

Useful links:

 

Control Windows Speech Recognition project (open source project on github):

https://github.com/Mark-Phillipson/SpeechRecognitionHelpers/tree/master/ControlWSR

 

Voice control Visual Studio extension (this is used when I say studio in Visual Studio):

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=MadsKristensen.VoiceCommands

 

How to start using Windows Azure Speech service:

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/services/cognitive-services/speech-to-text/

 

Video 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wmqJbFmqbk

 

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Hi Mark, that's interesting that you use WSR to get you out of a Dragon hang. It reminds me of SpeechStart! (For other readers, the hang problem was solved by Lindsay by Toggle Full something or other - search for it on another thread).

 

At about 0:55 in Video 2, you say something like "three delta" to jump the mouse up in Solution Explorer. You usually use a pair of NATO characters, not using "number" words like "three." I wonder how you can be so accurate.

 

Is that a custom command of some kind that sends a special key combination to Solution Explorer? Is that something I can do on my screen? Thank you



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Yes very similar approach I guess to SpeechStart+ 

The thing about Windows speech recognition if you set up the grammars it works perfectly. It's just the dictation that is lacking.

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Hi everyone,

Long before Kevin started the thread, I had begun doing a DragonCapture video, the first one, for that matter, and definitely long overdue. I would never have guessed the amount of time it takes, especially if you are new to this, but want to make it become kind of appealing.

Just this weekend, something seemed to manifest as "accomplished", but the overall consensus on the preview front, including mine, so far being that it has simply become too long, too ponderous, or something along these lines. So basically, it will need a complete redo.

However, so as to make parts of the material not go to waste completely, I decided to post a spin-off dealing with the overall concept to DragonCapture and its origin here:

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Originally posted by: R. Wilke Hi everyone, Long before Kevin started the thread, I had begun doing a DragonCapture video, the first one, for that matter, and definitely long overdue. I would never have guessed the amount of time it takes, especially if you are new to this, but want to make it become kind of appealing. Just this weekend, something seemed to manifest as "accomplished", but the overall consensus on the preview front, including mine, so far being that it has simply become too long, too ponderous, or something along these lines. So basically, it will need a complete redo. However, so as to make parts of the material not go to waste completely, I decided to post a spin-off dealing with the overall concept to DragonCapture and its origin here: DragonCapture Introduction Video I would welcome people sharing their thoughts.

 


I watched it and found it to be very informative. Yes, it is a bit long, and that in part is because you spend a lot of time on the Dictation Box and the Knowbrainer Force Dictation command. Maybe you should just do a separate video focusing solely on DragonCapture.

I don't use DragonCapture simply because (1) I am cheap and (2) I am retired, and therefore have my choice of applications and rarely use applications that are not Dragon-friendly. Having said that, I can certainly see why DragonCapture could be quite helpful for many users.

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Originally posted by: R. Wilke I would never have guessed the amount of time it takes, especially if you are new to this, but want to make it become kind of appealing. 

 

I've created my fair share of demonstration videos through the years (not counting the hundreds of music videos I created before that). And indeed if you want your video to look somewhat professional it's usually a much a more time-consuming and cumbersome process than expected (particularly if you have physical limitations like in my case). Definitely not something to be taken lightly.

 

That being said, it remains an ongoing, but interesting learning process for sure. 

 

If you compare these very early videos I did for for SpeechStart+ and KnowBrainer 

https://shop.knowbrainer.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=463129

https://shop.knowbrainer.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=4130

 

with some of my recent videos you'll know exactly what I mean

 

All-In-One Dictation Box

https://youtu.be/Wm6fkmu2Xys131

 

Auto Box

https://youtu.be/PcJIPD44_Uc

 

Advanced Placement:

https://youtu.be/f9ILdpXfsEA132

 

Enhancements for the Dragon dictation box:

https://youtu.be/4EyiKe9dmGs133

 

Quiet Box:

https://youtu.be/6eLVaDogHEw134

 

Dragon lessons:

https://youtu.be/sUpZMj0wqCM135

 

Or these (which actually are already a bit older):

 

Denise Virtual Assistant Premium with Dragon Pro

https://youtu.be/dlmokJm10Ao136

 

Band-in-a-Box Hands Free with Naturally Speaking - User Tutorial

https://youtu.be/mLYOHuBJ-tw137

 

Dragon Quick Tips 1 - The Yes command

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Great video, Rüdiger! Very professional.

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Thanks for the kind words, Edgar.

Matt, your comments are much appreciated also. Yes, you are correct, it is way too long, and this is already the abridged version.

The reason for this being, and there is no doubt about that, if you are German, you are compelled to aspire to being systematic and complete, and to view things from a historic angle, but I am working on it, and started getting me some assistance already.

I well understand your reasoning also as far as add-ons in general. It is definitely a niche product, and always just the second-best way to get things done.

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I agree with Edgar that the video is done quite professionally, albeit a bit lengthy in the first half.

 

Whlie DragonCapture makes it look as if you are dictating directly into an unsupported target application I was wondering how you handle correction?

In the regular dictation box, you can navigate and correct by voice to your heart's desire until you transfer the (corrected) text, but I'm unsure what would happen if you try to correct a phrase after it has been auto-pasted by DC.

 

Could you please elaborate a bit if correction by voice is possible with DragonCapture?

 

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I agree with Edgar that the video is done quite professionally, albeit a bit lengthy in the first half.

 

Mav, blame it on the German mindset, which you are familiar with most likely.

 

Whlie DragonCapture makes it look as if you are dictating directly into an unsupported target application I was wondering how you handle correction?

 

It is just an illusion. Not even DragonCapture could make a nonsupported target application Select-and-Say, and thus ready for editing after the fact.

 

In the regular dictation box, you can navigate and correct by voice to your heart's desire until you transfer the (corrected) text, but I'm unsure what would happen if you try to correct a phrase after it has been auto-pasted by DC.

 

There is a lot more to it than meets the eye in this video, where only AutoPaste mode was demonstrated. When switching off AutoPaste, it basically works along the lines of the hidden or remote dictation box in the medical versions, although fully automated and auto-detecting when it needs to move into action.



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I see, thanks for your reply.

 

But some food for thought:

When Dragon uses "dumb dictation" into an unsupported target window by emulating keyboard input (if I'd invest enough time I'd probably find out how to achieve this with Thunderbird), each utterance is being transferred into the target window by playing the keys the recognized text consists of - similar to your auto paste.

If you haven't clicked the mouse or used the keyboard, Dragon still knows what the last text and cursor position in the target window is and thus even a "correct that" or "scratch that" usually works.

So if you'd save the recognized utterances for the target window you might be able to achieve something similar...

 

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Originally posted by: Mav I see, thanks for your reply.

 

 

 

But some food for thought:

 

When Dragon uses "dumb dictation" into an unsupported target window by emulating keyboard input (if I'd invest enough time I'd probably find out how to achieve this with Thunderbird), each utterance is being transferred into the target window by playing the keys the recognized text consists of - similar to your auto paste.

 

If you haven't clicked the mouse or used the keyboard, Dragon still knows what the last text and cursor position in the target window is and thus even a "correct that" or "scratch that" usually works.

 

So if you'd save the recognized utterances for the target window you might be able to achieve something similar...

 

 

 

Regards,

 

mav

 

 

I just tested "dumb dictation", aka NaturalText, in Thunderbird. While "scratch that" works, "correct that" doesn't. The main problem with NaturalText being that Dragon loses it ever so often, and without any warning. The current workaround of choice is to edit nsuser.ini. If you do a search for it on the this forum, you will find a myriad of postings dealing with it.

 

In DragonCapture, I have integrated a of way dealing with NaturalText, programmatically, not by writing the nsuser.ini, in such ways that NaturalText is off when the DragonCapture is showing and thus active, and NaturalText is on when the box is hidden and thus not active. So you will get permanent control of NaturalText along with it, as a side-effect. I did this to make sure that they don't compete with each other, although it may not be necessary, because DragonCapture seems to take preference, as well over the Dragon Dictation Box.

 

I am already saving the recognition results passed to DragonCapture, sort of. I am using a SAPI 4 dictation object, along with a SAPI 4 text object, to handle this, so I might as well expand on it. The implementation, basically, equates to a hidden document which goes on until it is reset. Therefore I called it "The Remote & Continuous Dictation Box".

 

However, the problem starts when dealing with random target text boxes, which are always "on the other side of this airtight hatchway". so to speak. So far, the only thing I can deal with safely is to cut back the last utterance both in the target window and in the hidden buffer by deploying the DragonCapture command "remove this".

 

This ultimate goal of adding more editing facilities is on the horizon, although at the far back end.

 

 



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Here's a new video by Edgar showing how he uses his new StatementConstructor tool. I'm reposting the video link here to put more videos on this thread for the convenience of future viewers.

Edgar's video is a nice video because it clearly shows the main ideas of how to enter programming code by voice, and Edgar is one of the experts around here (IMHO).

 

He kindly posted the source code on this thread, if you're interested in trying it out yourself.

 

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Here's a new video by Rudiger on how DragonCapture works. I wish I had been able to see this video when I first started using DC. The video is flawless, showing zero dictation mistakes and how you can maximize your dictation productivity. (I'm envious of these excellent videos - they are always amazing and never show misrecognitions!)

 

This thread is about how experts do things expertly. So watch the video and see what the state of the art is in *remote, continuous* dictation boxes. Be aware that this kind of dictation box is very different than normal dictation boxes.

 

To see the state of the art in normal dictation boxes, see Rob's demo videos that are part of SP Pro, the SpeechProductivity dictation tools. (See the videos posted earlier in this thread above.)

 

Now, here's the video link from Rudiger. I copied it from another thread on the forum here.

Rudiger: Hi everyone,

The long overdue, complete DragonCapture video tutorial has finally been finished.

It starts with a rundown of the basic concept, and then moves on to the main options and the most relevant keypoints underlying the utility.

Any questions and comments are welcome!

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Here's a new video by Rudiger on how DragonCapture works. I wish I had been able to see this video when I first started using DC. The video is flawless, showing zero dictation mistakes and how you can maximize your dictation productivity. (I'm envious of these excellent videos - they are always amazing and never show misrecognitions!)

 

Kevin,

I just came across this. Thank you so much for linking to the video, and for the kind comments. This is much appreciated.

I also wish I had done it a lot earlier already, and not after DragonCapture had been out two years already. Because the concept is quite contrary to the mainstream dictation boxes, it is really difficult to explain, so showing it is probably the best way to get it across.

And yes, I am a dictation guy, using it in my job all day long, so getting Dragon to do what it has to do to help me to getting my job done is what you end up with after almost 20 years of using it. And avoid wasting too much time editing and correcting, at best.



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While working on a new addition to SP 6 Standard I found myself using temporary Dragon commands to alleviate a lot of repetitive actions. When the project is done I delete the commands. This is what I frequently do when I have to perform actions on a "per project basis" for more than, let's say 20 times.

 

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Wow, Rob, that was a smooth video showing how to write simple "macros" to get a lot of work done smoothly. You make it look easy and fast to move the mouse around, flip windows in VS, and delete characters. In contrast, I think I wrote the first mouse-movement macro in my entire life only a month ago to click a few buttons on a web page. I'm going to have to try to make a fast DVC script like that one day to see how it works.

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In this continuing "videos of the experts" series, Edgar has kindly posted two more videos (22min and 5min) on his StatementConstructor for injecting C++/C# code into Visual Studio. The videos are better than the early ones, and he never stumbles or misses a word in the narrative. And the demo Gods have been fairly nice to him in these videos - almost everything worked as expected and very few verbal repeats were required. Here's a link to the original post thread.

The first video provides a nice tour of the source code to help you understand the sections and what they do. The second video shows the nice What Can I Say app that pops up with a multi-column, scrollable display that shows you hundreds of things you can say to generate code. These videos show what is possible for C# code generation at this point in time. Thank you, Edgar!

From Edgar: I just added two more videos for StatementConstructor to my YouTube channel (I say that so blithely - I've never posted a public video before these three). The "StatementConstructor1.0.0.3" video is a twenty-two minute video introducing the actual code and demonstrating how to use the StatementConstructor application. The "the What Can I Say dialog" video is about five minutes long and introduces the concept of keeping the "What Can I Say" dialog open while using the application to dictate snippets.

The "StatementConstructor1.0.0.3" video:
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Here is another video for the expert series on how to generate code snippets. The point of the video is to show a good design model for tooling for generating snippets.


In the first part of the video I show my own hacks to generate, modify, and deliver a snippet into Visual Studio. The demo shows the automatic generation of C# method names from spoken words that are not C# keywords (Edgar's idea) plus modifying (customizing) snippets in an editor before delivering them to Visual Studio.

The second part of the video shows the SpeechProductivity Plates (templates) utility by Tom and Rob. Tom has used Plates for a long time, and it is a sophisticated snippet management product (far beyond my own hacked tools, as you will see). My point in showing Plates is to show what the design model looks like when it has been implemented and polished beyond what my own tools look like. (Presumably, my tool hacks will have a polished voice-operated UI one day too, who knows.) I apologize to Rob and Tom in advance if I make mistakes in showing how Plates works. I'm sure that my video is not up to the quality of Rob's videos, for sure.

Have a look and see where the state of the art is for voice-operated snippet generation.
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Thank you Kevin for demonstrating SP Plates©

 

The "official" introduction video however, was long overdue. I created it tonight. Here it is:

 

 



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Lunis,
(I can't figure out how to PM you.) Perhaps it would be a good idea to collect the links to all these videos as a separate "sticky" topic.
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In the continuing series on how the experts use voice, here is a new video that I made showing the design and performance of my "say " commands for dictating into Dragon unfriendly applications. I also use them for Dragon-friendly applications sometimes because they are so handy and ingrained into my "voice memory" habits.

This short video shows how I enter data into an Excel spreadsheet for my time log. It shows several homebrew commands to enter the text and automatically tab between cells. Some commands SendKeys a leading capital, some with title case, and some with no special casing at all. The video shows the chaining of multiple commands in one utterance, separated by a single "comma" word (or ',' if Dragon pumps that out). It also shows the design technique of using embedded keywords (before and after the ) to control the output keystrokes.

One of the interesting things is that this video shows chained commands in action. The benefit of chained commands is that you do not have to wait around for Dragon to recognize or execute your first command before you issue a second command. In this video, I issue four commands that are chained together.

The downside of chained commands is that if you make a mistake in any one of the commands (which I have done many times), the whole utterance must be repeated.

Edgar asked above how I implemented the chained commands. I catch the incoming text, parse it on the comma/comma boundaries, then loop over the list of commands and dispatch them one at a time. Of course, there are many behind-the-scenes Dragon scripting/C#/ExcelVBA details within this video.

The point of the video is to show you the design and performance of the syntax structure for the voice commands.

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My take on custom IntelliSense and snippets:

 

https://youtu.be/B_WqibEIFrc

 

Because I intend to use Serenade once they get C# working and supported, I have been mimicking their commands to get ready.

For example I have created a related set of commands like the following:

 

Add Class <scope> <dictation>

Add Method <scope> <datatype> <dictation>

Add Parameter <datatype> <dictation>

Add Tag <HTMLTag>

Add New Object <dictation>

Add Variable <datatype> <dictation>

Add Button <buttonclass> <dictation>

 

In addition, I have stored in a database a vast array of snippets that are linked to a language and category. If I say the language and category it will list all that match on the screen.

 

Also I can do a fuzzy search for all snippets that have a particular word in the name.

 

Furthermore these lists can be edited directly from the list.

 

I will now try to demonstrate these.

 

The KnowBrainer scripts highlighted in the video are available at the following link:

 

https://github.com/Mark-Phillipson/DragonScripts

 



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Wow, Mark - thank you for making and posting your video. Whenever I see a video like this with so much depth behind the scenes I wonder if I'll ever get there. I think I really need to study your repository to see what I can learn from it. I'm sure that it would take many, many hours to understand your setup, commands, and vast snippet repository. How many years did it take you to build all of that software?

Thank you also for introducing us all to Serenade. It seems like that guy has come a *long* way in a very short time since he started on the project. And getting 2M in seed round financing won't hurt him either. He uses a non-dragon speech engine and integrates with a huge number of languages and IDEs too - I wonder how he knew so much about speech recognition and software development and integration with all those platforms. It's amazing that he has come so far so fast.

Will you be walking away from your vast snippet library and commands and tools if you start using Serenade? Or maybe there will be a way for you to switch between Dragon and the Serenade engine. It seems to me that you're ahead of Serenade in many ways. And Serenade makes no claims about being useful for general computing like Dragon is, which might be a limitation for Serenade unless you want to use it only for programming.

This voice field is huge and complex when you start digging into it.

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Hi Kevin,

 

I guess I've been adding to it for about 10 years.

 

I don't think Serenade is going to take over everything just coding, I'd imagine.

 

With Serenade you can create your own custom commands provided you can write a bit of JavaScript.

 

Before I become productive with Serenade, I guess it would take a few months to get things set up. So this would be a gradual process.

 

And it still remains to be seen if they will support Visual Studio proper, not just a Visual Studio Code.  Even though they support Java, at present they do not support C#, but they are apparently working on it.

 

Also at the moment it's free, but I imagine at some point there will be a cost.



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Very nice Mark.

 

Finding myself a hands-free user of Dragon after becoming a quadriplegic due to a motorcycle accident when I first started programming I just started from scratch with just Dragon. instead of finding a hands-free voice vocabulary or grammars first do it the other way round just start programming and as you come across items that can obviously be automated then automate them at that time.  

 

When I wrote  my first programs in C++, Java, C# I just started adding voice commands(the way I do it) for method decllarations, variable types, loops, properties, threading, exception handlers… as I went along. Within a few months you have built up a massive amount of automation and the biggest problem you then have is remembering the names of the commands for which I use ScriptManager although you can obviously also use KnowBrainer sidebar for this.

 

As an example it doesn't take long to make up loop commands(for, iterative, recursive, switch… ) using predefined lists and dictation lists and other syntax which quickly allow you to get  going. if you are any type of programmer you should be able to use Dragon VB scripting (advanced scripting)to create such commands.

 

So to summarise my advice would be just get on with it and start programming and you will answer your own questions as you go along. Finally it's far more productive making up your own commands/system which are customised for you, and therefore will be much more intuitive for you to use, than trying to get a set of commands from someone else.



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Hi Mark and Lindsay, thank you for your comments. You both are easily in the class of experts that we all hope to learn from.

Mark, I was reading your Wiki page (see? only experts have their own Wiki pages :-)) on Custom Intellisense here , and I noticed that the lines in the JPG image show various snippets. When you say, "I have a vast library of snippets," is this the library of snippets that you are speaking of?

 

I could be wrong, but your Wiki pages do refer to Dragon scripts a lot and don't refer to code snippets a lot. Are the "scripts in the database" the same as "snippets in the database?" Are they included in your database download? The more I read, the more I want to make time to download it all and hook up the databases to see what it feels like to code with expert tools like that.

And in your video on IntelliSense Folders here  a list of folders pops up in the bottom right corner of the window. Where does that pop-up come from? In one of your other videos you mentioned something like "That's all that Dragon can do." Could you please say a few more words on where that list and dialog pop-up come from? Are the folders in the list programmed somewhere like in a Dragon list? And is there a builtin Dragon command that I've never heard of that displays the popup and listens for a choice?

@Lindsay, it seems to me that your closing advice of "just get on with it and you'll answer your own questions" is reasonable advice for life in general as well as for voice computing. Learning from your own work is definitely helpful, but learning from the experiences of others is usually a faster, easier, and more thorough way of developing a larger worldview than you can create yourself. I suppose I never would have been able to think up Dragon or use it without learning from others. Isn't that what this forum is for? :-) Cheers, Kevin



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I guess over the years I've created many KnowBrainer and Dragon scripts that deliver a snippet without connecting to a database.

 

I have also done the opposite.

 

For example the script called:

 

[ProgrammingLanguage] [Categories]

 

Will use the:

 

EngineControl.PromptValue

 

To list the items on a screen pulled from a database.

 

Documentation on how to use the PromptValue function can be found here: 

 

https://www.nuance.com/products/help/dragon/dragon-for-pc/scriptref/Content/scrptref/promptvalue_function.htm

 

More documentation for this can be seen in the readme in the following repo:

 

https://github.com/Mark-Phillipson/SpeechRecognitionHelpers

 

Also the snippets in the database can be browsed at the following location:

 

https://voicelauncherblazor.azurewebsites.net/

 

The reason I put the scripts in SQL Server instead of leaving them in Microsoft Access, where they were originally, is because they contain passwords and other sensitive information. My theory was that at least if they're in SQL Server, then in order to access you would at least need to log on to my computer.

The database schema is pretty straightforward for custom IntelliSense and is as per the following screenshot:

 

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These are simply amazing! All I can say is please keep up the videos to show and teach techniques to allow us to work more efficiently and effectively. Thank you!
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Here's another video from an expert. This one shows how you can have full select-and-say control in Dragon-unfriendly apps by pulling the app text into one of the SpeechProductivity tools, modifying it, and pasting it back into the unfriendly app. This video makes it look easy.

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I was thinking about this thread last night. I had two ideas.

First, it occurred to me last night that this thread has no expert videos from Lunis on KB. It seems to me that one of the things this thread has shown is the power of tools in the hands of their creators. For example, I was stunned by the flawless video by Rudiger demonstrating the power and utility of Dragon Capture. Who knew that you could flawlessly dictate to a blank screen with no foreground app and then transfer your text to a target app later? Amazing. And the same with Rob's Speech Productivity videos - he makes things look flawlessly easy with his many apps. And I don't want to leave out Edgar and Mark from the programming field - watching Edgar with his Statement Constructor or watching Mark navigate through the Video Studio Solution Explorer and editor buffers were both inspiring experiences to me.

So, I want to invite Lunis/Lindsay to contribute a video or two on SpeechStart and KB (perhaps Verbal Basic coding, or email operations, or editing?). If you guys don't want to make the videos, I will hack something together. SpeechStart is just too important not to get on this thread of experts. (Same for Voice Computer and some Natlink/Vocola/Dragonfly videos, I suppose, but I don't have those installed and so can't make videos on them.)

My second idea was to start a second expert thread on Hall of Fame videos or something, since this thread is getting a bit long. Maybe I'll do that one day. Obvious candidates are the videos I just mentioned above, for example. (I'm just thinking of how to make things easier for future viewers and newbies.)

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Originally posted by: kkkwj since this thread is getting a bit long

Since you are the "owner" of this thread, you might consider editing the first post and adding a section at the very top of that post (maybe set off in a quoted field) which just has the links to the videos with VERY brief descriptions.



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+1 for both kkwj's and Edgar's suggestions. See my post of March 17, 2021.

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You'll find a few very short VerbalBasic II videos on page 36 of the KnowBrainer Manual



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Thanks, Lunis, I will go find them and add the links. Thanks to Zig and Edgar for offering an alternative to a more condensed thread. I didn't want to edit this one too much because people have commented on it. But I confess I never thought of editing the first post with a short table of contents. It's a good idea. I'll start on it soon. I guess if people add comments, their comments will have to go at the end of this thread (far from the videos if someone is sequentially reading). Or they'll reply to the first post and we'll get discussions there. :-) Anyhow, I think it's a good idea to have a table of contents at the front. I'll get to it this weekend.

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Okay a short video to show how to create a KnowBrainer script by voice.

 

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Hi Mark, thank you for the excellent video! You made it look easy! (With KB/Verbal Basic help, of course.) Thank you.

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There are a lot of amazing videos if you dig around the web

 

From Frequent Asked Questions (FAQ) on programming by voice (vocola.net)

Are there any demos I can watch?

Here are some demos that you may find inspiring. The demonstrated systems vary in maturity and effectiveness. None shows all the most effective known techniques. For example, Tavis Rudd doesn't demonstrate the use of line numbers and pauses more than necessary. Also, some of the speakers are intentionally speaking slowly to make their demos easier to follow or are using now-decade-old hardware and software, which cannot keep up in real time.

  • An excellent 2013 demo given by Tavis Rudd at PyCon, entitled "Using Python to Code by Voice". Tavis says that in practice he uses line numbers heavily and goes much faster, in part by using shortcuts he didn't show for fear of angering the demo gods.

  • A follow-up demo on VimSpeak by Ashley Feniello; note that he does not appear to have speech recognition set up optimally, and thus has a much higher misrecognition rate than expected.

  • The original VoiceCode demo (the audio is missing in the beginning)

  • Nils Klarlund's demo of his ShortTalk system, which demonstrates power of stringing together many small editing commands

  • Jason Veldicott's demo, which uses approximate string matching for dictating existing symbols

Some great demos from the castor developer in a YouTube playlist
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Kim from utter command has a lot of cool demo videos as well
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Alexander, thank you for all the links. I added them to the list at the top of this thread.

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Demo Video:

https://youtu.be/0gsq9fAEa9c

 

How I restart Dragon Example

 

I use ControlWSR.exe, which is a .Net Framework Windows Forms application, that I launch via a keyboard shortcut on computer start-up. (It has to run as admin) The source code for this is at the following location:

 

https://github.com/Mark-Phillipson/ControlWSR

 

I also use it to shut down and restart my computer.

 

It can also be used to click anywhere on the screen and generally get me out of trouble when Dragon stops responding.

 

When I am debugging a process in Visual Studio, depending on what type of project Dragon can stop responding. This application enables me to carry on debugging.

 

In theory it could be used as a free alternative to Dragon, if it had thousands of commands written for it. Currently it only has global commands that are shown in the demo.

 

To get around the problem of Windows Speech Recognition dictation not being up to scratch, it can be set up to use Windows Azure Speech Cognitive Services just for dictation.  Windows Speech Recognition is very accurate when running specific commands that have been loaded with specific grammars.

 

 



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I added another video to the index at the top of this thread. It's a demo of a beautiful smooth-scrolling utility program in the SpeechProductivity utilities. The functionality addresses a key productivity problem of issuing endless "screen down" "page down" (or whatever) commands. Worth watching, definitely.


This video shows how to smooth-scroll through long browser pages or documents with ease. You can easily adjust the scrolling speed and direction by voice to make your reading life more comfortable.

(2021-07-16) https://youtu.be/BrxlYlgH2bQ



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This video shows how to smooth-scroll through long browser pages or documents with ease. You can easily adjust the scrolling speed and direction by voice to make your reading life more comfortable.


The smooth scrolling command has always been there in Dragon's natural language commands and worked fine up until DNS 12. However, when DNS 13 came out, that's when it disappeared. The command is still there but when you call that command now, it still scrolls down or up but it does so in jittery movements. I brought this up in 2014 in the thread below.

https://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=19352&highlight_key=y

Fair play to Rob for bringing it back for mainstream web browsers.

However, explain this anomaly? The smooth scrolling still works in 'Dragon Help' using Dragon's smooth scrolling commands,

Try this as an example. If you go to that command in the Dragon Help.
Say, "open Dragon help." In the search bar, type or say, "to scroll in your document or web page" then say, "press enter."

Click on the top result that says, 'Moving around in documents, webpages and text fields." Then, move down to the title, 'To scroll in your document or webpage' This shows you where the command is. Rest the scrollbar to the bottom of the page. Now, on that page, say, "start scrolling up." Then say, "scroll faster." Then say, ""start scrolling down." Then say, "scroll slower," and then, "stop scrolling."

I know it is of no use anywhere else, but why does that command work in 'Dragon Help' and not in mainstream browsers anymore? It used to work in Dragon so God knows what Nuance has done to that command to give it the jitters in browsers.

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KnowBrainer 2017 includes built-in smooth adjustable speed scrolling. We added this feature when Nuance couldn't fix the capability they broke

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Lunis, what is the name of the command for smooth scrolling in KnowBrainer?

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Scroll <Direction> <1to300> and Scroll <DirectionSpeed> 



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@ Tiger Feet

 

Those commands use the scripting approach of pressing the mouse wheel which has the following limitations:

 

The mouse pointer needs to be at a specific location upon uttering the command. If it's above an image (YouTube link for instance) the scrolling won't work and instead the image link will be opened in a new tab. Before you know it you have several unwanted tabs open.

 

You cannot change the scrolling speed in real time like you can with the native Dragon® "start scrolling down/up" commands. But sadly the scrolling has become jerky in recent DPI editions.

 

With SP Glide© you can control the scrolling in real time (you can even reverse scrolling direction in real time) and it will never open up any unwanted tabs in browsers because it doesn't matter where the mouse pointer is, as long as it is somewhere in the active window.

 

Glide© is the most advanced scrolling tool available at the moment (and one of the most popular features in SP 6 PRO).



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Hi Rob,

Yes, as I said, Nuance had the smooth scrolling commands up until DNS 12 then in DNS 13, it became jerky. Why they could not fix it I'll never know.

I take my hat off to you for finding out how to get the smooth scrolling back that Nuance should have done at the time. I agree with you, it is a great nifty tool especially if you want read long webpages.

Does your smooth scrolling also work in Word / Outlook / WordPad & Notepad?

Another question for you. Does your SP Pro Suite have all the things in it and more than the SP Standard?

For example, your software that helps dictating into non-Dragon friendly programs, is that only in the SP Standard or is it in the SP Pro too?

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Originally posted by: dilligence @ Tiger Feet


Those commands use the scripting approach of pressing the mouse wheel which has the following limitations:


The mouse pointer needs to be at a specific location upon uttering the command. If it's above an image (YouTube link for instance) the scrolling won't work and instead the image link will be opened in a new tab. Before you know it you have several unwanted tabs open.


You cannot change the scrolling speed in real time like you can with the native Dragon® "start scrolling down/up" commands. But sadly the scrolling has become jerky in recent DPI editions.

 

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Scrolling without mouse clicking - that what you are looking for, tiger?

Check this out then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xLFFKEuhqQ

 

I never thought I would want to use something like this as my fingers are not yet stiff (likely only a matter of time though at the current rate and pace of work).  But now I could see myself using it, some of the times.



P.S.,

1. If you move your mouse to a different browser window or frame, it will scroll there automatically, as shown in the video.

2. Tested in Chrome and Edge.

3. Didn't test in desktop Word or Office products.  But works in Notepad++ (where it scrolls line-by-line).

 

4. Unlike Rob's partner Tom's elegant bespoke tool, this doesn't do horizontal scroll (or at least not yet).  With monitors of sufficient size, however, horizontal scrolls are needed less often.  And the control may not be as granular.  But you can fine-tune things such as adding more speed steps to your liking.  I simply put it out here as a "proof-of concept".

 

5. This was done with nothing other than tweaking a few simple "macros" in my new favourite portable utility - you guessed it, VoiceMacro.

 

6. I am a novice speech user by all means.  But do excuse me for "spamming" whichever thread I deem fit for purpose.



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@Tiger Feet

 

"Does your smooth scrolling also work in Word / Outlook / WordPad & Notepad?"

 

Yes. From the Glide© Help file: 

This tool allows (smooth, usually) scrolling in any direction whether it’s text in a (Word) document or text in a browser window. Some applications like notepad and WordPad use different scrolling characteristics, they may scroll in “chunks”. If in some particular application the scrolling does not start right away, you can use the Turbo button which will work anywhere.

 

Glide© supports both Discrete and Continuous Scrolling. Let’s say you want to scroll down five lines, you would say “Glide down 5”, and so forth.

By using “slow”, “medium”, or “fast” instead of quantity you can put the tool into a continuous smooth scrolling mode which is very easy on the eyes if you are browsing long text (web) pages. A command example would be “Glide down slow”

 

"Another question for you. Does your SP Pro Suite have all the things in it and more than the SP Standard?"

 

The short answer, Yes. Most of what's available in Standard (20 modules) is also available in PRO (30 modules). PRO not only has more modules but the modules themselves are more advanced as well. Standard is aimed at beginners/medium level users (low learning curve) while PRO is meant for demanding/experienced users (slightly higher learning curve).

 

@ ax

 

Good work on getting a similar functionality in VoiceMacro. I've tried VoiceMacro a while ago and it's a great tool indeed. You can also use it for turning the Dragon® microphone On and Off by voice (instead of wake/sleep).



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@ ax

Looks cool ax and that is exactly how Dragon used to work including using those same commands in previous versions.

@Rob

Yes. From the Glide© Help file:
This tool allows (smooth, usually) scrolling in any direction whether it's text in a (Word) document or text in a browser window. Some applications like notepad and WordPad use different scrolling characteristics, they may scroll in "chunks". If in some particular application the scrolling does not start right away, you can use the Turbo button which will work anywhere.

Glide© supports both Discrete and Continuous Scrolling. Let's say you want to scroll down five lines, you would say "Glide down 5", and so forth.
By using "slow", "medium", or "fast" instead of quantity you can put the tool into a continuous smooth scrolling mode which is very easy on the eyes if you are browsing long text (web) pages. A command example would be "Glide down slow"


Sounds good Rob especially if Glide smooth scrolls in a Word document. The Dragon smooth scrolling never smooth scrolled in Word.

The short answer, Yes. Most of what's available in Standard (20 modules) is also available in PRO (30 modules). PRO not only has more modules but the modules themselves are more advanced as well. Standard is aimed at beginners/medium level users (low learning curve) while PRO is meant for demanding/experienced users (slightly higher learning curve).


Could you explain this further? You have contradicted yourself in the first line of your quote above by saying, "The short answer, Yes." That tells me all I need to know does it not? But then you go on to say, "Most of what's available in Standard ("20 modules") is also available in PRO (30 modules). The word "Most" directly after your admission of "Yes" signifies not all. Either it is "Yes" or "Most," Can you clarify which?

Just as an aside, does your software in 'Standard' that allows for dictation in non-friendly Dragon applications also have the same software in Pro?

Sorry for the slight grilling but I just want to make sure before I try your free trial.

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@TigerFeet 

 

Sorry for the confusion. It's true that it's high time for a comparison chart on my website! I haven't got around to doing that since we've been so busy with the development of version 7 of both Standard and PRO. I've also recently added a (small) Dutch version of SP which I will announce later. Anyway, the comparison chart is on my to do list.

 

All features that are available in Standard are also available in PRO but the way they are implemented is somewhat different. Of course PRO has much more features and those features are also more advanced.

 

SP 6 Standard is my solo project, SP 6 PRO is a collaboration with Tom Reid. This is one of the reasons why these versions develop somewhat differently. As mentioned earlier, the "target groups" are also different.

 

Your question: Does your software in 'Standard' that allows for dictation in non-friendly Dragon applications also have the same software in Pro?

 

The modules for that specific purpose are the SP Dictation Boxes©, Auto Box©, Quiet Box© and when it comes to correcting text in speech unfriendly applications (without using the Dictation Box): Text Tools© 

 

Taking the SP Dictation Boxes© as a first example. In Standard there are several dedicated (relatively simple) DB versions: Default, Advanced, Dual, TTS, High Contrast, Log, Minimal, Transparent etc. That means separate versions that the user can call up. However, in PRO all those functionalities are integrated into the All-In-One Dictation Box© and this box has many advanced features. It also has a much higher level of customization. 

 

Then there's Auto Box© (Standard) and Quiet Box© (PRO) which you are probably most interested in. Here's where it may get slightly confusing. The original Quiet Box© would either auto-transfer directly (every utterance) or you could quickly toggle "classical" Dictation Box mode on or off for longer dictations. Very soon the "Sticky Mode" was added to Quiet Box©. That means that you can designate one specific target window to send the auto transfers to, even if it is not the active window (it will briefly switch to that window to insert the dictation and then will switch back to the window you are currently working in).

Shortly after that I came up with the "auto-transfer upon detection of punctuation marks" concept which I implemented in Auto Box©. In the process of adding additional features to Auto Box©, I realized that we should have this functionality in Quiet Box© as well. After all, PRO should have everything that Standard has (and more). Now, instead of simply adding Auto Box© as yet another module we decided to add an "Auto Box Mode" to Quiet Box©.

 

Then there's Text Tools© (PRO) and Search Correct© (Standard). Both allow semi Select-and-Say editing in browser address bars, email headers and such, but Text Tools© is much more advanced and much more universal.

 

About the demo. There is currently only a demo available for SP 6 PRO. This is an "on demand demo" that will run on your system for 30 days.

 

However, I'm also working on a public demo for the upcoming, more advanced version of Auto Box© featured in SP 7 Standard. Anyone will be able to directly download the demo. It will however, have a limitation in the amount of characters and a watermark in the transferred text but there will be no time restriction at all. You will be able to use it for as long as you like. It will merely be meant to demonstrate how fast and effective the full version of Auto Box© can be.



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Thanks for the clarification Rob. You have been a busy boy and the software sounds impressive. Perhaps I should wait until you have finished your public demo for the upcoming, more advanced version of auto box featured in SP 7 Standard. What do you think?

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That may take a little while and besides it will only be Auto Box©.

 

The current SP 6 PRO demo that's available right now also features Quiet Box© which is very similar to Auto Box© and of course there's the AIO DB©. I recommend trying that first to see if any of these two approaches fit your needs. 



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