This may be too simple question, but I do I achieve this? 

I have tried adding "etc" to the vocabulary as the written form, with "et cetera" as the spoken form, but it makes no difference. Dragon always types "et cetera".

Written form – etc.

spoken form – Short et cetera

et cetera

Etc.

(If you always want this word without capitals then you are just the formatting in the vocabulary editor to show without capitals) – I don't bother here as I never use it as the 1st word in the line.

 

This is what I use

Cheers for now

Dan will

 

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Dan, I am not sure what you are meaning to say but it is not possible to surpress the capitalization of a word at the beginning of a sentence via the formatting in the vocabulary editor. All you can do is to set the formatting of the following word: capitalization (as at the beginning of a sentence) vs. normal capitalization (as in mid-sentence).



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Sorry about that – my mistake :-) – I was in too much of a hurry. It's interesting because I control this 1st letter capitalised business by changing the format of new line & next line within the vocabulary editor. I did this initially for making bullet points in PowerPoint when starting in MS Word using the heading 2 format.

 

So then the next line command produces

Et cetera

Etc.


And the new line command produces

et cetera

etc.


I think this is 1 of the 1st vocabulary edits I ever did :-). I sorta noticed that these 2 commands were next to one another and apparently the same.

 

Hope you had a blessed Christmas holiday

Cheers for now

Dan

 

 

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Quite true Chuck but sometimes I want the long format as well it all depends what I'm doing.

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Dan et al.,

I'll never understand why users make mountains out of mole hills.

Correcting this issue with "et cetera" is far more simple then everyone is making it out to be.

Open the Vocabulary Editor and type in "et cetera", when you find that entry in the Vocabulary Editor, click on Properties. Then under the "Printed form" just type in "etc.". From that point on every time you say "et cetera" you will get "etc.".

Chuck

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After asking the question and switching off the computer I realised this myself :-) (As I'd previously added a new entry to the vocabulary I just deleted the original one.) It works fine.

Thank you.

 

Thank you Chuck! I have just created a new profile for Dragon NaturallySpeaking 15 and I couldn't remember how to abbreviate the word "etc"! It worked, problem solved!

All the best.

Roy

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Dan,

Six of one and half a dozen of the other. You can do it anyway you want that suits your particular needs, but I generally avoid that which I consider unnecessary simply because I don't want to create a lot of rules to remember and it doesn't take but 1/2 a second to make a change when necessary.

For example, 95% to 98% of the time I like to use "etc." One of the nice features of using the abbreviated form is that Dragon knows not to put an extra "period" if "etc." occurs at the end of a sentence. Also, the way I have my Dragon options set up if I say "etc." and then follow it immediately by saying "correct that" or "correct etc.", the first option in the Correction menu or the Spelling Window is "et cetera". To my way of thinking if something takes me 1/2 a second longer to do something that I very rarely need to do, at the end of the day I save myself a grand total of about 10 seconds. That's not being productive. If you don't use Dragon by instinct; that is if you have to think about everything that you do before doing it, you cost yourself about an hour a day. I simply let Dragon do its thing without twisting my brain into a knot. Look at it this way, when you're driving, do you think about everything that you do or try to remember everything you should do. No. 95% of the things you do when you're driving you never even think about. That's the way you should be using Dragon. Whether you're driving a car or using speech recognition, you shouldn't have to think about what you're doing. The only time that you should or need to think when using Dragon is when you're trying to compose sentences.

Chuck

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Chuck,

You are of course perfectly reasonably right is a general assumption. I have some distinct writing styles and mindsets depending on what I am doing. A sensible person might have three different profiles to accommodate the same but I am not necessarily sensible. I do a lot of work in teaching and explaining matters like vocabulary particularly within the confines of the King James Bible so I need literal forms of speech for a lot of expressions. My basic strategy is to have all of my personalised, specialised vocabulary entries grouped under trigger words.

Was it Napoleon who said that a matter committed to paper is committed forever – being an active Christian I know that even thoughts are committed forever unless you do something about them. This modern age has allowed language to degrade and matters are often written off as typos or unintentional mistakes. I rather dread to think what might happen when this attitude gets into medical reports that are passed around in the modern concept of "the team" as opposed to the old days when you had a doctor. Communication is always been a problem since the Tower of Babel.

Anyway I appreciate your comments which I do spend the time to read.

Cheers for now
Dan

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Dan,

Here's a thought for you. One of the things that I discovered when playing around with Windows Speech Recognition (WSR), was that Microsoft had hardcoded in a method of distinguishing between punctuation and their corresponding words. For example, in WSR if you want the word "period" spelled out, all you have to do is to say "period literal". I added all of the punctuation words vs. symbols with the Spoken form set to, for example, "periodliteral". If you notice I do two things. I said a Written form "period" and a Spoken form "periodliteral" with the two words compounded. This is what Microsoft does in WSR, even though it's hardcoded and not visible, but it is explained. By compounding the Spoken form, I avoid conflicts with other words in the Vocabulary Editor.

There is another method to my madness. Not only do my compounded Spoken forms not conflict with other words in the Active Vocabulary, I also use a single trigger "literal" for all such additions and modifications in the Vocabulary Editor. That way I only have to remember one word "literal" when I want something that is abbreviated, like "etc." Spelled out. I would add the word "et cetera" with the Spoken form "et ceteraliteral" or even "etceteraliteral". That avoid conflicts, as pointed out above, as well as the fact that I don't have to remember anything else except "literal" compounded to that word's Spoken form.

Just a thought, but you can see how many years I've spent trying to find the best approach to pretty much everything in Dragon. The end result is that it does become instinctive and very easily.

Chuck

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Chuck,

My thoughts exactly except I use the trigger literal in front simply because that way in my Vocabulary Editor they are all listed together. It is a great idea to compound the words and I will have to adopt that style I think.

I have noticed that DPI fifteen has changed the way in which it handles Ordinal Is (this is about my only bugbear plurals end up as ordinal is and never ordinals or the possessive form ordinal's when I use correction – the correct choice never seems to be there the simple plural of the noun – it must be in the way that I pronounce it I suppose. Dragon goes in fits and spurts of this and when it is happening it is happening :-)

Cheers for now
Dan

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I wish I had read this years ago!

 

 I figured out on my own how to do something similar, e.g.  I have custom word entries like

 

.\\period symbol
,\\comma symbol

 

 but I think your approach of using the same word for everything "literal" sounds pretty good. consistency is good.  I sometimes get confused as to whether I have defined +\\plus sign or +\\plus symbol.    Sometimes I think I should've called it ,\\comma  punctuation mark

 

 the other good aspects you mention sound appropriate

 

Q:  do you do this in the custom words?   or via a suitable command that inserts the text?    The former permits easier using dictation. The latter would permit me to  do that for bacslah, since AFAIK  Dragon does not allow  backslashes in the custom words.

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Dan,

Speech recognition is not perfect, yet. It also doesn't understand the meaning of words or what you meant to say. I remember back when I first started working in speech recognition with L&H (Lernout & Hauspie) talking with one of the linguists responsible for the Language Model. He pointed out something very significant that I've never forgotten:

1. No two computer systems are 100% identical, even with the exact same components.

2. No two speakers are identical.

3. No single user ever says the same thing in the same way twice.

4. The difficulty with linguistics is that it is, at best, a Catch-22. That is, when it comes to speech recognition , you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

The best you can do is to try different approaches. Granted, ordinals are a bitch. They always have been. So are homophones, or, as I call them, speech homophones, plurals and possessives, etc. Take Yoda's advice.

Chuck

"Try or try not. Do or do not." -Yoda (Star Wars)

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