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Topic Title: New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available
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Created On: 12/28/2021 01:41 PM
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 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - mdl - 12/28/2021 01:41 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - R. Wilke - 12/28/2021 03:00 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - alexander - 01/05/2022 09:09 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - BigTech - 12/29/2021 06:21 AM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - alexander - 01/05/2022 09:16 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - alexander - 01/07/2022 06:32 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - BigTech - 01/27/2022 07:39 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - alexander - 02/04/2022 12:19 PM  
 New release of Vocola 2, 2.8.7, now available   - alexander - 02/04/2022 12:18 PM  
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    Notable changes since last version (2.8.6):

 

! By default, Vocola now uses SendInput instead of SendDragonKeys to

  send keystrokes.  This should work better in most cases: SendInput is

  immune to the character doubling/dropping bug, for example.

  SendInput, however, does not work with UAC-elevated windows and may

  have issues with some foreign-language keyboard settings.  

 

  Accordingly, you may now temporarily switch back to SendDragonKeys via

  a voice command, add code in the the DragonProxy extension (see below)

  to further translate keystrokes as needed, or simply delete the

  DragonProxy extension to permanently switch back to using

  SendDragonKeys.  

 

  More information on the different ways of sending keystrokes may be

  found on the Vocola 2 website at

  http://vocola.net/v2/SendingKeystrokes.asp.

 

! The following unofficial Vocola extensions have been made official,

  and are now included in the Vocola 2 release:

    Clipboard, Date, Env, Keys, Subprocess, Variable, and Vocola

 

! Python version 2.6 is no longer supported

 

* Vocola now supports a _Dragon proxy_, which is a special Vocola

  extension that can intercept and change or redirect Vocola's calls to

  Dragon.  A starter version of the proxy is provided which can switch

  back and forth between SendDragonKeys and SendInput for default

  keystrokes as well as print out Dragon actions when verbose mode is

  turned on.

 

* Vocola now prints an error if the user redefines an extension function

 

* A great deal of portability work has been done under the covers to

  make Vocola 2 work with Python 3.  Hopefully the next version will

  support Python 3.

 

* Vocola 2 is being refactored to be more flexible.  As part of this, it

  is now possible to choose a backend dynamically at "compile time".

  This is intended to be used for "cross-compilation" -- e.g., compiling

  to Dragonfly or Advanced Scripting instead of NatLink directly.

  Currently only NatLink and trivial echo backends are available.

 

    This will hopefully be the last version that only works with Python

2.  A combined installer that installs NatLink and this version of

Vocola will *not* be available -- the NatLink project is focusing instead on a

new version that works with Python 3.  This plus some dependencies that

have crept in for the installer means that the install procedure for

Vocola is somewhat longer than I would like.  See

http://vocola.net/v2/InstallVocola.asp for the installation

instructions.

 

- Mark

 12/28/2021 03:00 PM
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the NatLink project is focusing instead on a new version that works with Python 3.


Mark, as I'm currently looking to create a completely new command and control infrastructure based on how Natlink was initially designed, based on SAPI 4 and when Python 1.5 was the version to go with, I could probably use some help from people being more acquainted with Python than I am, specifically when it comes to translating from Python to C++, and potentially how Natlink was designed in general to cross the bridges between C++ and Python. (Although it is almost for certain that I'll be burning all those bridges anyway and do away with everything Python related to start with.)

Nonetheless, do you think that you could join me in this project in some kind of ways? For when I have particular questions?



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I recently used pybind11 to create bindings between C++ and Python. It has a lot of templates and is fairly intuitive for the most part. It allows you to expose classes functions, access Python from C++ and other way around. I would definitely recommend looking at that rather than doing it by hand so to speak.

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IMO, would be less work for you and would be better for us to just allow us to choose Keys.SendInput() or SendInput(), like the way it works currently? When the one doesn't work, I try the other. Maybe it's voodoo, but sometimes it helps. Might be better if both of those did the exact same things.

Seems like much trouble for little or no gain. Using one or the other input method in a script accomplishes all of that stuff.

* Vocola now prints an error if the user redefines an extension function.

Whatever...

! Necessity is the mother of invention. Seems to me our most important concern is getting beyond Python 2. Holler if you need any user feedback about that. I would offer to help with coding, but I'm not a programmer. I don't do any of the formal stuff, just manipulate the logic so the program does what I need (that "20% of any programming language that does 80% of all programming tasks"). And even that has been limited to a C++ systemwide hook in Windows used as a script recorder.



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Originally posted by: mdl     Notable changes since last version (2.8.6):

 

 

 

! By defaultyour, Vocola now uses SendInput instead of SendDragonKeys to

 

  send keystrokes.  This should work better in most cases: SendInput is

 

  immune to the character doubling/dropping bug, for example.

 

  SendInput, however, does not work with UAC-elevated windows and may

 

  have issues with some foreign-language keyboard settings.  

 

 

 

  Accordingly, you may now temporarily switch back to SendDragonKeys via

 

  a voice command, add code in the the DragonProxy extension (see below)

 

  to further translate keystrokes as needed, or simply delete the

 

  DragonProxy extension to permanently switch back to using

 

  SendDragonKeys.  

 

 

 

  More information on the different ways of sending keystrokes may be

 

  found on the Vocola 2 website at

 

  http://vocola.net/v2/SendingKeystrokes.asp.

 

 

 

! The following unofficial Vocola extensions have been made official,

 

  and are now included in the Vocola 2 release:

 

    Clipboard, Date, Env, Keys, Subprocess, Variable, and Vocola

 

 

 

! Python version 2.6 is no longer supported

 

 

 

* Vocola now supports a _Dragon proxy_, which is a special Vocola

 

  extension that can intercept and change or redirect Vocola's calls to

 

  Dragon.  A starter version of the proxy is provided which can switch

 

  back and forth between SendDragonKeys and SendInput for default

 

  keystrokes as well as print out Dragon actions when verbose mode is

 

  turned on.

 

 

 

* Vocola now prints an error if the user redefines an extension function

 

 

 

* A great deal of portability work has been done under the covers to

 

  make Vocola 2 work with Python 3.  Hopefully the next version will

 

  support Python 3.

 

 

 

* Vocola 2 is being refactored to be more flexible.  As part of this, it

 

  is now possible to choose a backend dynamically at "compile time".

 

  This is intended to be used for "cross-compilation" -- e.g., compiling

 

  to Dragonfly or Advanced Scripting instead of NatLink directly.

 

  Currently only NatLink and trivial echo backends are available.

 

 

 

    This will hopefully be the last version that only works with Python

 

2.  A combined installer that installs NatLink and this version of

 

Vocola will *not* be available -- the NatLink project is focusing instead on a

 

new version that works with Python 3.  This plus some dependencies that

 

have crept in for the installer means that the install procedure for

 

Vocola is somewhat longer than I would like.  See

 

http://vocola.net/v2/InstallVocola.asp for the installation

 

instructions.

 

 

 

- Mark

 

 

great work Mark thanks for doing this! I will try to install this sometime this week and see if I have any feedback for you.

 

Is the Dragon proxy similar to Vortex?  Ie does allow access to the Dragon dictation buffers etc.?

also with regards to re-factoring, this also sounds very interesting. It would be great if Vocola could output dragonfly and even talon files.  Another suggestion would be to start adding known actions so that one could support cross-platform copy and paste, or Windows movement for example.  

 

many thanks for keeping this project alive and current!

 

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Mark,
https://github.com/mdbridge/bit-bucket/blob/master/voice/Vocola_development/unofficial/vocola_ext_window_switching.py ( which I know is unofficial of course :-) ) has a conflict with Window.Success.

I'm assuming you can just do the following
from vocola_ext_window_status import set_status, status



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Can you add the Alt (down/up) to Mark's Window.Go()?

I would be THRILLED to have contributed a tiny grain of something to Mark's monumental works, with your help.

 

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Originally posted by: BigTech Can you add the Alt (down/up) to Mark's Window.Go()?

 

I would be THRILLED to have contributed a tiny grain of something to Mark's monumental works, with your help.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if you're speaking to me or to Mark, but I do not have access to the official Vocola git repository so unfortunately I can't be of any help here.  Maybe Quintjin could help?  (I know Mark is very busy these days otherwise I'm sure he would reply)

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Originally posted by: mdl     Notable changes since last version (2.8.6):

 

 

* Vocola 2 is being refactored to be more flexible.  As part of this, it

 

  is now possible to choose a backend dynamically at "compile time".

 

  This is intended to be used for "cross-compilation" -- e.g., compiling

 

  to Dragonfly or Advanced Scripting instead of NatLink directly.

 

  Currently only NatLink and trivial echo backends are available.

 

    

 

- Mark

 

 

Mark, do you have any guidance on how to add a new backend and also how to add a back end that runs concurrentlly?  I have a Voocola system running inside of a Mac VM.  I'm experimenting with a voice system on the host Mac, and would like to start outputting some voice commands there (which are derived from my Vocola scripts). I will probably dig around the code and see what I can figure out, but if you have any guidance that would be appreciated. Right now I will probably start with simple commands and hopefully several lists I have of folders and websites.  The output format will either be csv or some form of toml/yaml.

 

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