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Topic Title: Need code editing app suggestions
Topic Summary: I used to use Notepad++ for editing HTML, CSS, C++ etc. but it doesn't seem to work with Dragon anymore
Created On: 06/16/2020 11:20 AM
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 Need code editing app suggestions   - cy_borg5 - 06/16/2020 11:20 AM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - Lunis Orcutt - 06/16/2020 08:05 PM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - kkkwj - 06/17/2020 01:28 AM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - Lunis Orcutt - 06/17/2020 10:32 PM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - cy_borg5 - 06/17/2020 10:49 AM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - kkkwj - 06/17/2020 11:50 AM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - wristofdoom - 03/19/2021 04:18 PM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - alexander - 03/25/2021 09:00 PM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - kkkwj - 03/20/2021 03:54 AM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - Mphillipson - 03/20/2021 05:09 AM  
 Need code editing app suggestions   - lifeisgood - 03/26/2021 08:50 AM  
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cy_borg5
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I'm looking for a suggestion for a Dragon friendly text editor for programming. I have been using Notepad++ for several years and I really liked it. For some reason after recent update or some other unrelated glitch I can't identify, it no longer accepts dictation from DPI 15.3.

Is anyone else using Notepad++ with the Dragon and had problems or is it just me?

Can anyone recommend alternatives. I tried downloading something called Ginny and it wouldn't even let me call up the dictation box let alone allow me to dictate directly.

 06/16/2020 08:05 PM
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Lunis Orcutt
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We like Visual Studio a little more than Notepad++



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Edgar always uses PSPad, which is apparently Dragon friendly.


I just tested Notepad++ v7.8.6 on my system, and it would not receive normal Dragon dictation directly into the editor buffer.


Lunis, are you saying you can dictate directly into VS with Dragon 15.3? I have never been able to do that.

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 06/17/2020 10:32 PM
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We also have PSPad but didn't find it to be Dragon friendly. Interestingly enough, when you run Visual Studio, you will see the DragonBar green • but before you get too excited, we haven't been able to get Select-&-Say to work. We prefer Visual Studio because we like the coloring which is simpler to Notepad++. PDPad is dull and doesn't quite support the KnowBrainer Artificial Select-&-Say technology which works in Visual Studio, Notepad++ and most Dragon unfriendly applications; like PowerPoint and OneNote. Here's how we do it:

1. We conduct all raw Direct Dictation with
 DragonCapture which buffers our dictation and drops our dictation into the target app when we stop speaking. Dragon works the same way but is not adjustable and will more often than not, fail to transfer dictation into non-Dragon friendly environments.

2. We use KnowBrainer 2017 for correcting, via the AI Type <dictation> command which checks for spacing and capitalization.

3. We use KnowBrainer 2017 for editing via the AI Artificial Select-&-Say “Go” commands. This means we can randomly select text, italicize text, bold text, delete text etc. While this is very effective, it still isn't quite as nice as dictating into Microsoft Word but it has changed our work attitude. Between these 2 utilities, we don't think twice about using most non-Dragon friendly apps. We just check the DragonBar for the green • to see if we can select text by using the Dragon select 
<dictation> command or will need to use the KnowBrainer Go Select <dictation> command.



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I tried Visual Basic studio, Emacs, Kate, bluefish and perhaps others I can't remember. None of them would take Dragon dictation. Notepad++ used to be able to do it but suddenly it quit. Fortunately most of my programming I do in the Arduino IDE. But when editing libraries for Arduino you typically have to use a different text editor and I really liked Notepad++. Fortunately I found a workaround that allows me to use the Arduino IDE for editing libraries so I'm good for now but is frustrating that there seem to be so many code editors out there that won't take dictation. I'm wondering if they're all based on the same code base.
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I think Dragon looks at the class name of the editor control to decide whether to send text to it. The tech problem for editor builders is to find/create/use a (custom) text edit (or rich text edit) control that can both do editing and be recognized by Dragon. Based on that YouTube video of Travis Rudd (sp?) doing voice editing using Emacs, I think he was using Python and Natlink to inject text and not Dragon->Emacs directly.

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wristofdoom
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So based on this thread, and picking up that are there NO friendly IDEs with full Select-and-Say functionality.

Is that correct?

I use Dragon in Sublime Text, which works "fine" but does not have full Select-and-Say functionality.


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Most developers end up using an add-on like Vocola, dragonfly or caster and end up writing a number of scripts. If you want some limited Select-and-Say functionality you can also look at the recent post by Mark re Vortex.  It does a reasonable job of giving you Select-and-Say for the latest few utterances and it works in sublime text.

 

You may want to read through this

https://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=34401&highlight_key=y#179232

it's relatively easy to write find/regex find commands that can be used in vscode/sublimetext or any other editor to move back and forth.
But Select-and-Say is pretty sweet for deleting words or correcting spellings.
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I can dictate fine into Notepad 7.9.1. Notepad displays a weird blank flashing box effect while it's typing in the keystrokes, but it gets the job done. So it's possible to use it for dictation and keystrokes. It's VASTLY faster than popping up VStudio for short edits, that's for sure.

 

Oh yes, and SharpDevelop (v5.1 when it was discontinued) is capable of receiving Dragon dictation fine. Not Select-and-Say.

 

No work has been done on the project for years, but it seems to work okay.



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In my experience, there are no reliable IDEs that will support Dragon 15 with full Select-and-Say.

 

However I tend to use Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code and work with the IntelliSense provided and use multiple cursors ViaVoice. This more than makes up for not being able to use the Dragon full Select-and-Say. Examples of commands you can create:

 

https://github.com/Mark-Phillipson/DragonScripts/wiki/Visual-Studio-Commands

 

Also with Visual Studio Code if you are using a programming language that supports it you can use the Serenade plug-in which gives you direct control to create your code.

 

https://serenade.ai/



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cy Borg5,

Have you tried http://speechproductivity.eu/? There are some videos showing the features.

DPI15 was having a problem with MS Word (at least on my computer). It was also having problems with SDL TRADOS (CAT translation software) and SP has saved me so many hours and frustration I cannot start to tell you about it.



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