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Topic Title: Dragon Log - Attempt to write ini file without proper authority
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Created On: 05/21/2022 09:34 PM
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 05/21/2022 09:34 PM
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Here is another error message in the log when I exited dragon from the DragonBar menu. "fresh one" is a fresh profile I created.

 

2022-05-21|18:19:54.132|  LEGACY|18544|29388|I|WARNING (IniFile): Attempted to write file C:\ProgramData\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\Users\fresh one\current\options.ini without proper authority (1,0,0)

 

I am the only one on this machine, and Dragon was the only one to ever touch that profile. Does anyone know how to fix the authority problem? (Maybe create another profile? I should check the log with my main profile.)

 

I am trying to remove all Dragon boot/shutdown error messages from the log where I can.

 



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 05/23/2022 07:37 AM
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With every perceived issue in the Dragon log, ask yourself: does this correspond to anything on the surface? Most things are handled gracefully by Dragon, the user will never know that anything internal had to be fixed. Therefore, trying to read and understand the Dragon log is usually an exercise in futility. In my experience, perceived errors do not have any consequences, while real issues mostly are not documented - mainly because they are caused by a third-party application, not Dragon.

In this particular case, ask yourself: have you changed any of the Dragon options? If so, did the change take hold? If yes, you are fine. If you haven't changed any options, just ignore the line in the log file. Only if you have changed an option and it is not properly retained, the line in the Dragon log might indicate that you have insufficient Windows user rights.

Hope that helps, Stephan

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 05/23/2022 02:30 PM
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Stephan,

You are on to something. In one of the recent posts from kkkwji something, he mentioned:

"I found a couple of error messages complaining about no read access to C:\ProgramData\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\[Data, User] folders, so I removed the read-only properties on the folders themselves, but that did nothing."

I already told him that, in my opinion, he must be doing something fundamentally wrong. He came back and asked what specifically of course. Quite honestly, I couldn't put my finger on it, but most likely. it is all in the way of how he goes about messing with things.

Some people will never get happy with computers, or Dragon specifically, and they may be better off spending their time playing golf instead.


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 05/30/2022 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by: R. Wilke Stephan, You are on to something. In one of the recent posts from kkkwji something, he mentioned: "I found a couple of error messages complaining about no read access to C:\ProgramData\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\[Data, User] folders, so I removed the read-only properties on the folders themselves, but that did nothing." I already told him that, in my opinion, he must be doing something fundamentally wrong. He came back and asked what specifically of course. Quite honestly, I couldn't put my finger on it, but most likely. it is all in the way of how he goes about messing with things. Some people will never get happy with computers, or Dragon specifically, and they may be better off spending their time playing golf instead.

 

Rüdiger,

I read the other thread and agree that there must be something fundamentally wrong, although I couldn't put my finger on it, either. KKKWJ's posts are so verbose that I've given up reading them TBH.

 

In my experience, the dragon.log entry 

no read access to C:\ProgramData\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking15\[Data, User] 

is  found in every other dragon.log, without any perceivable consequences. I suggested to ignore most of the dragon.log and focus on the times when there are actual surface issues, but apparently I'm being too pragmatic.



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 05/30/2022 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by: R. Wilke  Some people will never get happy with computers, or Dragon specifically, and they may be better off spending their time playing golf instead.

 

Some of us who are never happy with computers don't play golf, so instead we improve  computers.  I can say with >99% confidence that everybody on this forum is using stuff that I invented because I was unhappy with existing computer  hardware and software -  as in fact  is truth for the majority of computer users in the world.

 

The attitude "the user is to blame"  may frequently be true, but is certainly not always.

 

The attitude "I never have problems, so you must be doing something wrong"  may frequently be true,  but also arises frequently just because the first person is in a groove with a specific usage pattern. This particular bad attitude is a very big cause of computer security bugs:  "I never enter a value greater than 100,  though it's a user bug if there's an  out of bounds memory access error".

 

That being said, I agree  that kkkwj changing  permissions within the profile directory  is asking for problems. But I suspect that kkkwj  is looking at the log trying to diagnose performance problems,  as he said elsewhere. And I know that if I had not looked at the log I would not have solved my own performance problems.  Most of the advice I got about solving performance problems from this forum was  off target.  I don't mind off target, that happens, but I deplore arrogant off target.



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 05/31/2022 03:28 PM
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I can say with >99% confidence that everybody on this forum is using stuff that I invented because I was unhappy with existing computer hardware and software - as in fact is truth for the majority of computer users in the world.


When used correctly, being unhappy with things has always been the major source of inspiration to move on and making progress, and most likely, given the prerequisite mentioned above, has been the mother of all invention.

However, in the case of KKK WY I would dare doubt that being unhappy and jumping to the correct conclusions has been used correctly by any means and thus not served the cause, in terms of making overall progress.

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 06/01/2022 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by: Ag 

 

 Some of us who are never happy with computers don't play golf, so instead we improve  computers.  I can say with >99% confidence that everybody on this forum is using stuff that I invented because I was unhappy with existing computer  hardware and software -  as in fact  is truth for the majority of computer users in the world.

 

Most of the advice I got about solving performance problems from this forum was  off target.  I don't mind off target, that happens, but I deplore arrogant off target.

 

Careful ag you are shedding your modesty of which many are not aware. Having to use a PC hands-free exposes many issues which would not be apparent otherwise and certainly never beta tested. Unfortunately not even Dragon beta tests hands-free to any great extent as DEMONSTRATED by the ever present jumping pages with Microsoft Word.

 

It happens here unfortunately.



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Careful ag you are shedding your modesty of which many are not aware.


Forgive him. He had just been pissed off by one of my previous remarks in a different thread pointing to terminological indifference and wasted verbosity.

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