I bought this, and its shit. 

The main problem is that you cannot add lots of words to the vocab like you can with DNS. There has been talk of adding words like in DNS(like in bulk) but WTF.

Its a rip off...end of story. Persons on this forum have endorsed it,   but come on...its not just a try hard its not even there.

WSR is rubbish....regardless of wot anyone says.

Chuck any ideas????

Pissed Off 

Chucks reply.from July 2011. Yes Chuck there is a feature to do that...but not really. Grrr.      I believe that WSR is shit from start to finish. Its accuracy is rubbish, and the WSR toolkit is also rubbish.Chuck there was no feature to do what I was asking and I can point you to the feature article. Dont say that "you misunderstood me". Bullshit. WSR is SHIT the same way as DMPE is.It seems that from MDH its dont go near DMPE. For me.........WSR and the tool kit are shit.I hope that rhymes. Rag, Assuming that you're speaking about the WSRToolkit 2.0, the answer is yes. There is a feature to do this. Review the information at the following link: http://www.emicrophones.com/p-3033-wsrtoolkit-v2.aspx; width: 14px; height: 12px; padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; position: static; vertical-align: top; display: inline; visibility: visible; background-position: -943px 0px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; border-width: 0px" class="snap_preview_icon" src="http://www.previewshots.com/images/v1.3/t.gif" alt="" /> Chuck Runquist Technical Project Manager VoiceTeach LLC Home of VoicePower®: Simply powerful, powerfully simple

Rag,

I have the WSR toolkit and yes it does work in a different way to Dragon and is more limited but you can add multiple words to your WSR profile.  I show this below from inside the toolkit on the "Dictionary Tab."



WSR is not DNS and at the moment, does not compare to it but WSR does have its uses. 

For a start, it comes free with every Windows OS since Vista.  That was great for me when I had Vista.  I practised with it for a year and a half and although not as accurate as Dragon when dictating, it gave me the basics on how to use speech recognition.  From then, I decided to fund raise for Dragon as the next step.  Unless you can fund raise as I did, not many disabled people can afford Dragon at the start.  That's why WSR is mainly constructed for the disabled.

If all you generally did each day was look through your e-mail, search the web or write the occasional e-mail, then WSR is good enough.

The one thing that WSR has superiority on, is its "ShowNumbers" command and variations thereof.  I know you can buy a variation of "ShowNumbers Plus" for Dragon and it is very good but it is not on the level of WSR's version at the moment. 

Adding to that, there is a little tiny program called "Voice Finger" that can only be used with WSR.  It is very cheap and allows you to click anywhere on the screen hands-free with one click thus avoiding the MouseGrid.

I'm very surprised that nobody has invented something like this for Dragon because I know it will sell like hot cakes.  Hopefully, one day somebody will.

To summarise, Dragon is in a different league but the tools I have mentioned previously for use with WSR are very handy.  It is for this reason that I use both and get the best out of both worlds. 

I have DNS and WSR on the screen at the same time and use a double macro that will interact between the two.  All I do is choose which application I want to use at the time and if I want to switch back to the other, it's no problem. 

For the very fact WSR is on my computer and free anyway and the WSR toolkit is peanuts to buy, I'd be mad not to utilise it along with Dragon.  Dragon I use most of the time but with WSR there in the background if I need it at any time, it gives me even more choices.

Cheers

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Tiger Feet,

Could you expound and tell us more how the Voice Finger works? Can you also save and program in picking those points to click, as one does with scripts containing a series of mouse-clicks?

Thanks.

MDH

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Mark,

The best way to explain Voice Finger, is that it gives an overlay of the whole page or website you are on in an expandable 36 x 36 grid.  When using WSR, you just use voice commands to bring up the grid and then choose the reference points you want to click anywhere on the screen you want.  It is better explained here in this link:

http://voicefinger.cozendey.com/

The "Add Mouse Position" command to which you refer for Dragon is a fantastic tool and piece of scripting.

However, when using the Add Mouse Position command, you then have to give the command a name and memorise the command names for each point of reference where you use it.  This can get confusing trying to remember all the command names you used, especially if you did not use one of them in a while.

On top of that, if the point of reference moves on the page it was made for because of any reason, then your Add Mouse Position command then doesn't work and hits the wrong spot.  Basically, you have to make a new Add Mouse Position command to the new point of reference. 

With Voice Finger, you only have to memorise the same commands each time to either bring the overlay on the page, choose your point of reference and to take the overlay off again.  It does have other uses as well that is better explained in the link above. 

Don't get me wrong, I use the Add Mouse Position command in several programs.  It's just Voice Finger comes in handy when you go to somewhere new such as a new website, or points of reference anywhere on the page that can be in the habit of moving or roaming.

Voice Finger is a great asset to WSR and I believe it would be a great asset to DNS.  Although the Add Mouse Position command is first-class, I still believe that there would be a niche in Dragon for the Voice Finger type of program as well. 

That's why I cannot believe nobody has come up with it thus far.

Just my opinion of course :-)

Cheers

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Tiger Feet

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Tiger Feet,

Thanks for the info.

Of interest is that when going to download it, I get a warning from my Norton security about Trojan viruses associated with it.

MDH

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Of interest is that when going to download it, I get a warning from my Norton security about Trojan viruses associated with it.

Mark,

I'm sorry to hear that.  It may be a fake website but I can assure you the program is kosher.  I have been using it for over a year now without any problems.

If you type "Voice Finger" into Google, there are lots of links for the software.  Here is another one below.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/Voice-Finger.shtml

If you still have problems, you can contact the owner and maker of the software personally by e-mail and ask his advice.  I have conversed with him several times this way.  His name is Robson and his e-mail is below:

voicefinger@cozendey.com

He has always replied back to me and is always very helpful.  I believe the software has a free trial.

Cheers

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Tiger Feet

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Tiger Feet,

Thanks.

MDH

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One thing I haven't found in WSR is the simple "mouse click command". All I have found is "click<object name>". Does this type of command exist and have I just overlooked it?

Phil Schaadt

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Phil,

What do you mean by the "mouse click command," for example, where you would use it in Dragon?  In other words, what you are trying to achieve?

You can say, "mouse click" or "click" when you find your eventual spot when using the mouse grid in both WSR and DNS.

Also, what do you mean in WSR when you say, "click <object name >?"  I'm not sure what you mean here.

Perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree in what you are trying to explain, could you elaborate please?

Cheers.

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Tiger Feet

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Sorry for not being clear. I want to position the cursor by physically moving the mouse and then saying something like "mouse click" (which is the DNS command) and have WSR execute a right mouse click.

I do not want to have to say "click <my computer>" or "click <link name>" or "34 click" with "Show Numbers". I have not been able to find such a command in WSR. Maybe I have overlooked it. With multiple screens this is a big deal to me as I am physically capable of moving the mouse but the damage in my hands makes the physical click motion painful.

Thanks in advance for any help

Phil Schaadt

 

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Sorry for not being clear. I want to position the cursor by physically moving the mouse and then saying something like "mouse click" (which is the DNS command) and have WSR execute a right mouse click.

Phil,

As I understand it from your statement above, you want to physically move the mouse with your hand to a point or link on the screen.  Then you want to right click it by voice.  Is this right?  

If this is the case, with the mouse arrow or hand on the point you want to right click, in WSR you can say, "right click" or "context menu" which simulates a right click. 

I can understand if it is difficult to use click strokes because of your pain but using ShowNumbers is simply a voice activated command.  When using ShowNumbers, you can also choose the number you want that coincides with the link that you want and then say "right click" to open the context menu this way.

If I have misunderstood, then I apologise and could you explain further?

Cheers

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Tiger Feet

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Got it. Thanks tiger feet

Phil Schaadt

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Phil,

In WSR, if the pointer is in the desired position, say "click that" or "right click that".

 

 

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Windows Speech Recognition Macros, DragonNS Premium 11.5,  Windows 7 Home Premium, ASUS P5B-E, 2.40 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3 GB RAM, SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio, USB 3-in-1 Tablemike

Is there something like Voice Finger which can be used with DNS Premium 11.5?

(Voice Finger depends on Windows Speech Recognition.) 

 http://voicefinger.cozendey.com/  

 

 

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We are not very familiar with VoiceFinger but it appears to be a simple utility that reverse engineers a feature that is already included within NaturallySpeaking. The following is just 1 example of using this built-in feature:

1. Say MouseGrid
2. Say one of the numbers like 5 and watch the box focus down. Repeat the process until you close in on an icon.
3. Say mouse double-click to double-click on any desktop icon or just Double-Click if you are using KnowBrainer 2011

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Teffy,

Yes there is. VoicePower uses a very comprehensive set of mouse voice commands, including a 100 x 100 screen grid. However, VoicePower's patented Mouse Voice commands can be used with or without the screen grid and the execution of commands includes the full set of mouse actions (mouse buttons), instantaneous movement rather than having to wait for the mouse move slowly across the screen and without having to say "stop", as well as mouse drag commands.

Of course we'd like you to buy VoicePower, but I'm not trying to sell you on that. I'm only pointing out that VoicePower has the most comprehensive set of mouse movement, mouse drag, and mouse action commands of any application currently available for DNS 11.5. You might want to take a look at our website at www.VoiceTeach.com. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at Chuck@VoiceTeach.com and I would be glad to answer any questions that you might have and/or provide specific examples. We also provide a 15 day trial with no restrictions on functionality so that you can see for yourself. In addition, VoicePower has many more navigation and command-and-control features for your desktop and applications built in, as well as the ability to create VoiceShortcuts simply and easily with no programming experience (simple Wizard driven macro creation).

In addition, VoicePower is not a scripting language, does overlap some of the features of KnowBrainer, but does not conflict with KnowBrainer and both programs can be run the same time. VoicePower is more of a intuitive command-and-control add-on for Dragon NaturallySpeaking with thousands of built-in and 100% reliable commands. We are constantly updating and adding new features almost on a monthly basis. VoicePower also has a totally voice controlled intuitive and interactive help system. In short, you ask and VoicePower gives you complete answers.

Chuck Runquist
Technical Project Manager
VoiceTeach LLC
Home of VoicePower®: We don't make Dragon NaturallySpeaking, We make it better!

The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein

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Our apologies Chuck, we should've remembered the awesome VoicePower mouse commands which go way beyond the manufacturers built-in MouseGrid mount utility.

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Its FREE, but BS you still can't add a vocab in bulk. WSR 8 seems to be no different. Dropping the ball comes to mind.

R 

Chuck,

Interesting.  I never realised VoicePower could do this with the mouse and never realised there was a program out there that could emulate Voice Finger for WSR. 

The drag mouse command is already available in DNS is it not?  How is that different to VoicePowers?

Voice Finger for WSR costs $9.99 which is equivalent to approximately £6.00 

How much does VoicePower cost and is there a special cost for the disabled as Lunis provides KnowBrainer free?

Have you considered selling the Voice Finger type of app on its own as a single entity for Dragon?  The rest of what Voice Power can do I don't need because I can already do most of what you show on your website anyway.

I think the grid for Dragon as a separate application and suitable price would do very well on its own.

Just my opinion of course.

Cheers

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Tiger Feet

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Tiger,

Reread my quote above. Yes, drag mouse commands are already available in DNS, but they are not instantaneous. Have you ever tried them? With Dragon, you have to wait and watch while the mouse cursor does its little dance across the screen. Even at its fastest, with VoicePower I can move were drag mouse to any location instantaneously. I can execute four or five VoicePower's Mouse Voice commands with all mouse actions included in a single command while you're still waiting for Dragon to complete one. You can also use large increments or small increments (entire screen by full screen coordinates vs. pixels). Needless to say, VoicePower allows you to increase your productivity with Mouse Voice commands by 80%.

First, I'll correct you on one point. You can do some of what VoicePower can do using Advanced Scripting, KnowBrainer, or any other third-party scripting language, but you don't come close to what VoicePower can do without any programming experience at all or any complicated scripting. Like KnowBrainer, VoicePower contains over 10,000 100% reliable, built-in capabilities (commands). The macros (VoiceShortcuts) that VoicePower allows you to do are simple, wizard driven that require no more than two entries in any given VoiceShortcuts wizard (i.e., simply put, what you want and what you want to call it). It only takes about 10 to 20 seconds to create a VoicePower voice shortcut and about the same amount of time to modify it if and when necessary. The same applies to creating favorite files, folders, etc. that can be accessed with a single, simple, VoicePower command. The same applies to locating files, folders, webpages, favorites, etc. You can navigate the Internet, your desktop, or applications in ways that you can't do with DNS or any third-party scripting language and they're already done for you. For example, and I know that you hate the Dictation Box, but VoicePower allows you to open the Dictation Box and copy and paste by voice from any application from Internet Explorer to Adobe PDF documents totally by voice command in two steps that take all of about 30 seconds to complete. Try doing that with Dragon. In fact, even using Microsoft Word, notepad, or WordPad try selecting and copying from a PDF document by voice command. With Dragon, you can't do it. And, even with scripting, you can't restrict your selection to specific text because you can't control that variable. With VoicePower you can select only the text you want and automatically pasted into whatever application you're working with or copy it to the clipboard and use VoicePower's copy to command to automatically copy it into most application text Windows. Even here, I've only scratched the surface of what VoicePower can do.

Second, from time to time we have special pricing, but were always willing to sell the complete VoicePower package for $99. VoicePower is a total application package. Unfortunately, we can't give it away like KnowBrainer because too much time and R&D has gone into it.

Lastly, yes, we have considered breaking down the components and providing simple features for power users. I personally consider that something worth doing and I agree with you 100%. However, it takes a lot of time to extract those features and create simple installs for such. Perhaps in the future that might become a reality. However, the majority of our businesses on the high-end corporate and government level (i.e., HP, Cisco, PG&E, Wells Fargo, Social Security, the Veterans Administration, and local California government agencies (particularly those involving putting users with disabilities back to work). Again, perhaps in the future. Keep in mind that VoicePower is a complete training system just like having a personal trainer for Dragon NaturallySpeaking. It's interactive, always available 24/7/365, and only has a one-time cost. Corporations and individuals can learn the effective use of Dragon and VoicePower without the expense and time consuming interaction with an individual or personal trainer. Keep in mind that you seldom need somebody to help you during a training session, or while you're working in your job or application/avocation. VoicePower is always there at all you have to do is ask it for what you want and it will provide you with comprehensive help and demonstrations. In addition, VoicePower makes Dragon virtually 99.9% hands-free.

Chuck Runquist
Technical Project Manager
VoiceTeach LLC
Home of VoicePower®: We don't make Dragon NaturallySpeaking, We make it better!

"What you are aware of you are in control of; what you are not aware of is in control of you." - Anthony de Mello

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Chuck,

I'm sure it's worth every penny.  I cannot comment on what I haven't used :-)

Cheers



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Tiger Feet

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I think that in reality you missed my point. Windows speech recognition is nonsense the main reason I say that is that the Windows speech recognition. DOES NOT allow the option of adding words in bulk like Dragon NaturallySpeaking does. I'm sick of the talk around Windows speech recognition being an immature product. This comes from Windows. Comes from Microsoft. With Dragon NaturallySpeaking, I'm able to add for example 1000 words as my custom words and probably one-minute. With Dragon NaturallySpeaking they will be recognised most of the time. Windows speech recognition does not have a feature to do that, and even if it did the recognition is crap. Please people stop trying to defend Windows speech recognition because it's rubbish if we compare it to Dragon NaturallySpeaking. It may have reasonable macros, and that's probably where it ends.! Please don't come back and me saying it's free,because it might be free, but it's useless!

 

I would like to thank that in Windows 8 that they have change things! I don't think it will have a 

Then don't use it, Simple as!

Cheers

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