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Topic Title: Samsung slate that runs windows 7
Topic Summary: anybody know about this???
Created On: 01/06/2012 05:44 PM
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 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - FootDoc - 01/06/2012 05:44 PM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - Chucker - 01/06/2012 06:11 PM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - FootDoc - 01/06/2012 08:04 PM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - FootDoc - 01/06/2012 08:13 PM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - techlaw - 01/07/2012 01:52 AM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - FootDoc - 01/07/2012 10:40 AM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - GDS - 01/08/2012 12:26 PM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - Alan - 01/13/2012 09:15 PM  
 Samsung slate that runs windows 7   - Chucker - 01/14/2012 06:42 AM  
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FootDoc
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http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/tablet-pcs/XE700T1A-A03US

 

OK experts, this runs windows 7 and light weight. Someone awhile ago was asking about a similar product. Costco has one for like $850 with different configuration. Would be nice if dragon would work on this.

 

Larry 

 01/06/2012 06:11 PM
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Larry,

As long as any equivalent at Cosco has the same basic specs (i.e., CPU, RAM, etc.), there is no reason why Dragon should not work on this system. It does have one USB port, which I would use for the microphone vs. the built-in soundcard which might be of questionable value with DNS. The only thing you would have to ensure is the ability to get Dragon installed (i.e., DVD-ROM drive) and it is a little on the light side in terms of overall performance with DNS, but it should work. Might be useful for portable and simple dictation (i.e., patient interviews etc.). The 128 GB SSD is certainly reasonable in size for running DNS and it does have a wireless LAN connection capability.

I wouldn't count on it for heavy DNS use, but it looks like a promising little tablet. Again, I can think of no reason why Dragon shouldn't work on this unit. However, I'd have to actually have it in my hands for testing before I would give it my absolute blessing. Also, if you could get the same specs for $850, I might just try it out. However, keep in mind the minimum specifications for Dragon, as well as the limited storage space and the requirement for any extras that you might need (i.e., DVD drive, external drive, yada yada yada).

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 01/06/2012 08:04 PM
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Chuck,

the costco specs are basically the same except the hard drive is 64 gb. I am thinking with emr and basic commands and of course patients filling out paperwork electronically. These specs are fine. I don't need alot of storage space and 64gb would be plenty since I am working off a server and this would be an empty box per se. I agree the specs are light for Dragon but my wife's laptop has similar basic specs and DPME 11 works very fast on it.

 I think I like the idea of it but hopefully another version is coming (always another version coming huh???) out sooner then later. I posted this since I know some people were asking about a light weight tablet with windows and not sure why I did not see this one in pre-reviews etc etc etc.

 As far as external dvd drives etc, I can find one cheap anywhere really these days and I think the idea of having a drive is going the way of the lp.....except that is making a comeback but you get the idea.  

Will have to see if the local costco has one for "testing" purposes!!!!

 Larry 

 01/06/2012 08:13 PM
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If my checking is correct, the costco one is the same as the samsung one at 64g but the costco one has an hdmi port and the samsung one does not???  Not sure why but going by there specs.

Plus it is about $200 or so cheaper at $899

Larry

 01/07/2012 01:52 AM
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I think Chuck meant "there is no reason why Dragon should *not* work on this system". 

First of all, based on my experience with i5 and i7 mobile processors, I am almost sure that you will find the processor of Samsung 7 tablet adequate, even for heavy DNS use, assuming both the following: 

(1) that you have a top-notch audio setup. 
(2) you set the minimum processor speed at 50% or above (the default setting on these tablets is usually 5% in order to justify the inflated battery life claim)

The quality of your audio setup affects the usability (including the speed) of speech recognition more than the speed of the processor does. Nearly all Intel's i5 and i7 processors are fast enough for DNS if properly set. My desktop computer has a top-notch desktop processor which is supposed to be more than twice as capable than my laptop's processor, yet I see no difference in terms of productivity using speech recognition. I simply think that the importance of processor speed is overrated. It is the audio setup that matters.

However, Intel i5 is not the right kind of processor for a tablet computer due to its higher power consumption. In fact, Intel currently simply does not have a right processor for a Windows-based tablet. The i5 Intel processor here consumes 17W of power. This is a lot better than desktop processors, but still not good enough for tablets. The ARM processors used in iPads and Android tablets usually consumer about 1-2W power only.
 
You will see compromised battery life and also very bad thermal performance. Be careful of the battery life given by the manufacturer. It is usually false. It is usually measured with a minimum processor speed set at 5%, and even then they exaggerate. If you're going to use speech recognition, you will need to set the minimum processor speed at 50% or above (for the i5 processor, I would actually recommend 75% or above). But if you do that, you will suddenly find that the battery life is not even half of what the manufacturer claims.

Unless you have to get a tablet now, I would recommend that you wait until the summer. Not for the sake of Windows 8 operating system (which should be pretty good), but for the sake of the new generation of Intel mobile processors (Clover Trail) that are going to be the first Intel processors suited for tablets. Significant improvement in battery life and thermal performance is promised. 
 01/07/2012 10:40 AM
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Techlaw,

 Nice points. I am not sure If I am serious about this one but yes intrigued. I am aware of the newer processors coming out and yes want to wait for them but just curious on how this one will perform.

Larry 

 01/08/2012 12:26 PM
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Keep an eye on CES. I doubt we'll hear much from Microsoft regarding Windows 8 or their developments in speech recognition, but Intel appears to be committed to the "Ultrabook" form factor. The newest Macbook Airs have such an amazing form factor that they've got me seriously considering switching to Lion and Dragon Dictate (or dual booting/using virtualization to keep DNS). The Ultrabook could be a wonderful solution in that it runs Windows natively, has superior specs, and has a form factor that gives you the convenience of a tablet with the versatility afforded by a keyboard-centered input. 

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 01/13/2012 09:15 PM
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Although not a "cheap solution", I am using a MacBook Air (i7) and running Win 7 and my Windows version of DNS 11.5 Pro under Parallels 7 and I think it works just fine. I have Dragon Dictate on the Mac side but I find that it is way behind the Windows version in terms of features and ease of use (maybe just because I'm so used to the Windows version) and I was not happy with Dragon Dictate at all for my use. MacBook Air is very light, exceptionally thin, has great battery life and one can easily carry around a Sennheiser ME3 in a tote bag for dictation "on the go". I just use a flash drive to keep my user profile on so I can move it to my desktop when I get back to my office or home. Again, I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, this setup works just great. The words appear almost instantly on the screen when I dictate using the Windows version of DNS under Parallels 7. The other advantage is that, for my purposes at least, I have the best of both worlds - PC and Mac. There are some amazing "Mac only" programs and there are some amazing "Windows only" programs out there. Now I can have both on one machine and effortlessly switch back and forth between the 2 operating systems.

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 01/14/2012 06:42 AM
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Alan,

I live next door to an Intel engineer. Intel is gung ho on Ultrabooks, particularly relative to their recent collaborations with Nuance. The reviews of the Ultrabooks at CES are rating the Ultrabooks as the MacBook Air killer. They weigh between 1.8 and 2.3 pounds, are as slim or slimmer than the MacBook Air, currently support the upper end of the Core™ i7 Sandy Bridge processors for mobile, yada yada yada.

Many companies, like ASUS, are ramping up their Ultrabook offerings.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with the MacBook Air because you get the best of all worlds. I only reason for pointing out the above is that I tend to agree with Eric in the sense that Apple better not get complacent.

Chuck Runquist
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