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Topic Title: Speechware 3-in-1 table Mike Topic Summary: Good microphone, good service Created On: 05/01/2012 04:56 AM Status: Post and Reply |
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- DB | - 05/01/2012 04:56 AM |
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I'd just like to say a big thank you to Lunis now that I've got my 3-in-1 up and running.
Firstly, the service. Without this incredibly useful website I probably would not even have been aware of the range of microphones available. Also the detailed discussion and test reports enabled me to make a reasoned choice. I live in the UK and was previously a little apprehensive about having a physical delivery come all the way from the US of A! I need not have worried. The delivery was collected by FedEx on Friday 27th of April from Nashville and was handed over to me by the FedEx man on my doorstep on Monday 30th of April. As soon as the package had been dispatched I received notification from Lunis with expected delivery time and FedEx tracking details should I wish to check. During the weekend I was pleasantly surprised to receive an e-mail from Lunis containing a direct link to the FedEx tracking system and all I had to do was click on it to see the progress of my delivery. A small thing but very thoughtful and it certainly makes me realise that in Lunis's Company the customer comes first. As to the microphone. I'm not a power user but very happy with the facilities offered by DNS 10.1 -- I mainly use DNS for putting text into my PC because I don't like typing and I'm no good at it anyway. Microphone very easy to setup -- just plug in the Gooseneck to the base, connect the USB cable and set up a new user (in my case). The microphone has achieved what I wanted: no irritating things on my head with cables getting in the way; no plastic thing in my ear becoming uncomfortable. One of my previous microphones was the Plantronics Calisto which to be fair worked surprisingly well for me and didn't seem to give me too much bother with the Bluetooth connection. However it was too flimsy and despite the plastic hinge becoming half broken it was still possible to fix it round my ear -- but it was never really comfortable and always felt that it would fall off even though it never did. My other microphone was a cheap and cheerful $15 Plantronics no soundcard 3.5 mm jack plastic headset -- which again worked surprisingly well and gave results just as good as the Plantronics Bluetooth. A previous Plantronics microphone DSP 310 (which I think included its own soundcard) gave results not as good as the previous two and the physical quality deteriorated very rapidly.
So, back to the three in one: you can see from the attached photo that it sits on my desk leaving me plenty of room for physical documents and other paraphernalia -- and it just works. I'm dictating this message with it after having given it a very short five-minute initial training session. I've got my small radio playing music quietly a couple of feet away and it doesn't seem to interfere. My microphone to mouth distance is about 12 inches and I'm speaking in a fairly quiet voice so that the rest of the household does not have to listen also. One of the things I like most of all is that if her Ladyship brings me a cup of tea or coffee and wishes to speak to me, all I've got to do is press the pushbutton on the microphone based to close the Mike -- it's just a little bit more convenient than having to click on the mouse. There is definitely an improvement in accuracy (no scientific measure here -- just a very obvious user experience). One of the big improvements over my previous microphones is that with this one all usual words come out correctly and the only problem is with specialised words which I would not expect DNS to know about; with my previous ones there would often be an attempt reproduce a word incorrectly -- this annoying characteristic is not present with the three and one: as I said before -- it just works!
In summary, I'm very pleased with this product and service I have received from Lunis.
Intel Core i5-2300 CPU @ 2.80GHz; 8Gb RAM; Win7 64-bit; Gigabyte H67M-UD2H-B3;
------------------------- Intel Core i5-2300 CPU @ 2.80GHz; 8Gb RAM; Win7 64-bit; Gigabyte H67M-UD2H-B3; |
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An operating note which may be of some use to other users: I tried out the new microphone with Windows speech recognition and it worked fine. I then reverted to using Dragon 10.1 but noticed a marked deterioration in performance. This appears to have been caused by allowing the option for WSR to be set for automatic start-up. Since disabling it, the performance of Dragon 10.1 with the three in one table Mike has gone back to normal. I don't know whether this is just peculiar to my system and I suppose that most people will not even bother with WSR but if you are the curious and experimental type then you may do the same as I have done. So my experience is: don't mix Dragon and Windows speech recognition. ------------------------- Intel Core i5-2300 CPU @ 2.80GHz; 8Gb RAM; Win7 64-bit; Gigabyte H67M-UD2H-B3; |
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Judging from your high quality picture, it appears that you're running the 3-in-1 microphone in green light mode. We have no doubt the 3-in-1 will work reasonably well in that setting but note that the manufacturer recommends using the blue light setting, by clicking the speech record normal/VoIP button, on the right side of the unit for best results in NaturallySpeaking Ver. 10 and VoIP applications. The green light mode is actually designed specifically for NaturallySpeaking 11.
PS: Thanks for posting your results. -------------------------
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I had a question regarding the setup of the SpeechWare 3-in-1 table Mike and Dragon 11.5. The SpeechWare manual instructs you to click on the recording tab, then click properties, advanced and choose: 1 channel, 16 bit, 48,000 Hz (DVD Quality), instead of the default: 1 channel, 16 bit, 44100 (CD Quality). I looked into this and there seems to be some conflicting views on which setting it should be on. Could people please tell me which setting they have it at and which setting has worked for them? Thank you ------------------------- Purchased from Knowbrainer :-) |
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Quote: I had a question regarding the setup of the SpeechWare 3-in-1 table Mike and Dragon 11.5. The SpeechWare manual instructs you to click on the recording tab, then click properties, advanced and choose: 1 channel, 16 bit, 48,000 Hz (DVD Quality), instead of the default: 1 channel, 16 bit, 44100 (CD Quality). I looked into this and there seems to be some conflicting views on which setting it should be on. Could people please tell me which setting they have it at and which setting has worked for them? Jonny, In the long run, it really doesn't make any difference whether you leave it at the default or you change it. Dragon sets the sampling rate at 22.05 kHz (22050 Hz) 16-bit Mono, which is exactly one half of the default 44100 Hz. So adding an additional 3900 Hz doesn't really make any difference because Dragon will still extract and set the sampling rate to 22.05 kHz 16-bit Mono anyway. I don't remember during the initial testing phase why the recommendation was changed and/or made, but testing over the last, a little less than a year, has not shown that it makes any difference at all. It certainly doesn't hurt to make the change, but it also doesn't make it better. Chuck Runquist
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Chuck, Thank you so much for your quick response. I will leave the rate at the Windows default 44100 Hz (CD Quality). And I will see how it goes from there. On a slightly different subject, I need to use my numeric keypad and the hot keys are getting in the way. I know I can change them in options and the Hot keys Tab. Do you or anyone else have recommendations on what to change those particular hot keys that affect the numeric keypad to? The most important being the "microphone on" hot key command, which is set to the + sign. Unfortunately, the + sign is located in a very convenient spot which makes it the best key for the ability to turn on and off the microphone without having to look down and find the key that you designate to be the microphone on hot key. The three other Hot keys are Corrections, DragonBar menu and Microphone sleep. Any recommendations or suggestions, would be much appreciated. Jonathan ------------------------- Purchased from Knowbrainer :-) |
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Regarding hotkey use, many use the Pause (Pause/Break) key as a hotkey for microphone on/off. If numeric keypad is going to be used, normally I'll eliminate the hotkeys (make it blank by backspacing to eliminate the default hotkey) for microphone sleep, correction, and DragonBar menu so that they do not conflict with numeric keypad usage. ------------------------- Larry Allen |
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In addition to what Chuck points out the human voice on the upper side gets to a frequency range of around 8000 Hz so even if you take into account the Nyquist frequency (which is the real frequency that DNS samples at and is about half of the 22 kHz sampling rate) moving from 44 kHz to 48 kHz is going to make no difference to microphone input as far as DNS is concerned. Whilst I support anyone's choice of purchasing a SpeechWare wherever they wish, and no better place than here, I would be failing in my duty as a SpeechWare supplier if I did not point out that these microphones are available in the UK at very competitive prices to the US prices. We also dedicate considerable time providing free support on many speech forums, including this one (as you can see by the number of posts). I appreciate your choice of vendor being based on customer service and support but also bear in mind, when comparing prices, that purchasing in the USA is going to incur customs and excise duty as well as obviously higher delivery charges and delivery times. Lunis thanks as always for allowing me to post such information. In terms of microphone hotkeys Johnny many people use the function keys (e.g. "F12"} on their own or in combination with keys like the control or alt key (e.g. "Ctrl+F12"}. http://www.pcbyvoice.com/shop/speechware-3-in-1-tablemike/ As a matter of fairness I should point out that other vendors in the UK who supply microphones specifically for DNS and try very hard to provide the very best support including Forum support would include: Lindsay ------------------------- |
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Lindsay, it would indeed be useful if DB confirmed whether he had to pay customs duties and VAT and also advised courier charges. I was a little sceptical at your suggestion UK prices were competitive with the US but after doing a little research you may indeed be right, it really depends on whether the shipment gets through unnoticed or not. If it does fall into the hands of customs then the total cost could be even more expensive than buying in the UK, if not then even with postage/courier charges it could still work out quite a bit cheaper buying in the US, all in all it seems to be a bit of a lottery. I remember being told some years ago that sending a "small packet" was an almost foolproof way of getting your item duty free, I'm not sure if that still applies.
My only real experience goes back several years when I ordered a router from a Canadian reseller and it was posted to me here in Italy pretty quickly and with no additional charges to pay, that said I know of other people buying similar items who had their parcels held up in customs and eventually had to pay customs duties and VAT, it doesn't really look like you can take anything for granted. Graham ------------------------- |
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Graham,
If something is shipped from the US by FedEx then FedEx are usually responsible for sending you the customs and excise duty invoice. As an example I purchase from Nuance in the US on the odd occasion, delivery is by FedEx and I always receive a customs and excise invoice a week or so later. Also the shipper in the US is responsible for declaring the value of the goods to FedEx so they can invoice appropriately. That's the way it should work and the way it does work, at least when I purchase from the US and it is delivered by FedEx/UPS. Things have tightened up a lot in the last few years regarding this, there was a massive clampdown mainly because of the amount of purchasers buying directly from Amazon US and getting delivery to the UK. We have reduced prices of our SpeechWare microphones by over 10% in the last week so as to be competitive. Lindsay Edit: I understand the courier charges with FedEx are around US$28 for 2/3 day delivery, next day delivery from us is £6.50. If I shipped to you in Italy (if that is where you are judging by what you say above) then I don't charge you any VAT as you are in the EU. How Italian Customs and Excise deal with that I really don't know but again you may not have to pay any VAT. ------------------------- |
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If I shipped to you in Italy (if that is where you are judging by what you say above) then I don't charge you any VAT as you are in the EU. How Italian Customs and Excise deal with that I really don't know but again you may not have to pay any VAT.
Part of the conditions of carriage with the likes of UPS or FedEx is that you authorise them to clear customs for you and bill you for the tax, duty and the carrier's handling charge for doing this for you. You have to be very careful with low value shipments, as the handling charge tends to be a fairly hefty flat fee (something like £15 - I haven't imported anything for a while). You may think you've got away with it because, unlike Royal Mail / Parcelforce, you don't have to pay before you get the item, but the bill invariably follows.
In my experience, imported items sent via UPS, FedEx and similar never get through without charges being levied if charges are due. Sometimes items imported via the postal system get through, even if correct Customs documentation is attached (as it should be) - but this is increasingly rare. However, many packages that come in via the postal system are handed off to Parcelforce, who slap their own hefty handling charge onto the duty and VAT payable.
Lindsay - are you sure that you should be deducting VAT from goods exported to an EU end-user? My EU law training did not get into taxation, but my understanding is that goods introduced into free circulation within the EU can move freely across intra-EU borders. If so, this means - as accords with my practical experience of buying from other EU countries - that you should charge VAT at the normal UK rate on goods being exported to an EU destination unless the purchaser is also VAT registered (in which case you deal with a sale to another VAT registered entity in the normal way). There is no need to complete any Customs paperwork and there is no VAT or import duty liability in the destination country.
I wouldn't want the VAT inspector breathing down your neck...
If you are unsure of the correct procedures, I suggest you contact HM Revenue and Customs (though they are sometimes as much use as a chocolate fireguard) or your professional tax advisor (i.e. your accountant). ------------------------- David Wood Hardware: Olympus DS-7000 (for dictation) - Olympus AS-7000 (for manual transcription) - Olympus DM-670 with ME-30W microphones (for seminars and events) Software: DNS 12.5 Legal UK - Olympus ODMS 6.1.1 (Dictation and Transcription Modules) - Olympus Sonority Plus 1.4.2 |
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Sorry for the late reply as I never check this forum. David I won't claim to be an expert on VAT within the EU and thanks for trying to help but regards charging or not charging VAT when shipping within Europe I just take the advice of my accountant (Chartered accountant) who tells me not to. ------------------------- |
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Just to confirm that any item shipped from the US by FedEx to the UK will incur customs charges. Said charges are usually calculated as a percentage of the value of the item, in addition to a £10 administration charge levied by FedEx. Recently, when Lunis shipped to me from the US the new Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW headset with the new pigtail Andrea sound card; a few days later I received an invoice from FedEx for the best part of twenty-five pounds. ------------------------- DNS 12.0 Professional, Windows 7, Intel Core i7 2630QM, 16GB of RAM. Second-Generation SpeechWare 6-in-1. |
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I have asked Lindsay to post this on the Forum as I’m unable to log on at the moment.I hope this adds further clarification to previous posts regarding receipt of goods purchased in the USA.The HMRC web site, http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/tax-and-duty.htm provides a wealth of information. For example:If you're sending or receiving goods by post for your personal use from outside the European Union (EU), you'll have to pay any tax and/or duty once the goods arrive in the UK. Normally Royal Mail/Parcel Force will pay what's due on your behalf and may charge a handling fee which you must pay before your parcel can be delivered. The amount will be made up of the UK Import Duty appropriate to the item multiplied by its declared value, VAT charged at the UK rate on the declared value plus duty and a handling fee added by the courier. Import duty rates are listed on the HMRC web site but there are ~14,000 classifications so good luck in finding the correct one (rates vary from 0% to 85% with an average between 5-9%).The courier companies (usually UPS, FedEx, Parcel Force, DHL) will pay the duties and then bill you either by invoice or in the case of Parcel Farce collect cash before delivery. The handling fee varies with UPS @ £11, FedEx @ £10 and Parcel Force (teamed with USPS) @ £13.50. I hope this helps to shed a little light. Graham Hendry ------------------------- |
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Quote: or in the case of Parcel Farce collect cash before delivery Well, if I were Parcel Farce, I would do it just like this. FedEx
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For speechware 3 in 1 the total cost with delivery will be £210 from Lunis. Duties and VAT should be about 25-27% which brings the cost to about £260.
The price in the UK is £286 delivered. Remember that I have added a high delivery cost from USA, and its still less than the cost of buying from the UK, though by a small margin. If you are lucky and it escapes the customs charges, you would be saving quite a lot! Are UK resellers charged much higher that US resellers by the manufacturer? Talk about rip-off UK ------------------------- Dell Inspiron 7520 SE, 2ghz core i7(Ivy bridge), 8gb ram, 750gb Seagate Momentus XT SSD/HD Hybrid hard disk. SpeechWare 3 in 1, Sennhesser ME3, Buddy USB 6G, Windows 7 Ultimate, Office 2007. |
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There is nowhere in the UK I can find this mic for£195 + vat. Out of curiosity, what is it about these green light mode performance problems? I am seriously thinking of buying this mic, but I could just go with the cheaper Buddy USB Desktop instead if 3 in 1 is not better than it
------------------------- Dell Inspiron 7520 SE, 2ghz core i7(Ivy bridge), 8gb ram, 750gb Seagate Momentus XT SSD/HD Hybrid hard disk. SpeechWare 3 in 1, Sennhesser ME3, Buddy USB 6G, Windows 7 Ultimate, Office 2007. |
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We are not certain as to whether or not the SpeechWare 3-in-1 TableMike is currently available locally but while the Buddy 7G DSP desktop microphone is very good, not to mention less expensive, in our opinion, it falls short in a head-to-head comparison which you can check out in our KnowBrainer TableMike Face-Off. -------------------------
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Between May and July until we stopped selling them (about two weeks ago) the SpeechWare 3-in-1 was on the PCByVoice website below for £195 exclusive and the SpeechWare 6-in-1 was £215 exclusive. -------------------------
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That's pretty worrying, I just wonder whether the UK was sent a faulty batch, as you say there seem to be few complaints on the other side of the pond. ------------------------- |
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Graham, we don't believe the problem was a faulty batch because we have already sold some of Lindsay's returns. Additionally a number of US and Canadian Nuance certified resellers have asked to test the 6-in-1 and the 3-in-1. Most of the resellers asked to purchase their test unit but unfortunately we didn't have enough supplies to meet the reseller demand and had to delay the reseller channel until late August. 2 of the 3 top US resellers have about sold out. The only reason we have supplies left is because we were able to obtain Lindsay's stock. -------------------------
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Hmm it's all very puzzling, I know if I bought one I would want to use the green light mode otherwise I might just as well get a headset. In any event I'm using WSR and one of Lunis' previous posts said that green light was only OK for DNS although I'm presuming the latter is what most, if not all, of the complainants are using.
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This is really confusing considering the praise all over. I have always felt it might all be hype, hence the reason for holding on till now. It does seem the resellers are hyping things a lot, and of course I am not sure.
It doesn't seem likely that the UK will get a faulty badge Is the 6 in 1 equivalent to the 3 in 1, apart from the additional options on the 6 in 1(footpedal, etc)? Thanks ------------------------- Dell Inspiron 7520 SE, 2ghz core i7(Ivy bridge), 8gb ram, 750gb Seagate Momentus XT SSD/HD Hybrid hard disk. SpeechWare 3 in 1, Sennhesser ME3, Buddy USB 6G, Windows 7 Ultimate, Office 2007. |
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The microphone gives good performance in blue light mode in a reasonably quiet environment within maybe 6 inches or slightly closer. It has all the bells and whistles as have been listed and it is very well made and of good design, as an example the telescopic boom. For us it boiled down to the performance in green light mode from, like I say, 30 cm to 40 cm.
However it is very subjective what you may call acceptable performance at this range, we did not think it was anything like, as an example, as accurate as a Sennheiser ME-3N at the corner of your mouth but then we never believed it ever would be despite what some had said. Neither are we saying that there is a better microphone that works at this range (we don't know of any that have tried or claimed to work at this range). However what we are saying, and this is what the laws of physics tell us as well, that if you want reasonable noise cancellation at that distance you are going to suffer in terms of recognition accuracy or alternatively (like with the very first batch) you will get better accuracy with virtually no noise cancellation. We sold less than 20 microphones and we had six complaints. Apparently in the USA they have sold hundreds and had less complaints. We had several batches so it was nothing to do with a faulty batch. I will leave it to others to express their own opinions but we have no reason to lie, quite the contrary.
That's our truthful opinion and our testing procedures also bore out what I am saying above, others have their own opinion and I am sure will hear those at some point. ------------------------- |
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Yes it's identical in terms of microphone performance and specifications, we liked the extra length boom supplied with a 6-in-1 compared to the 3-in-1. ------------------------- |
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Lindsay's post above is worrisome. I was a very enthusiastic purchaser of the 3-in-1, having migrated from the 6-in-1. But my enthusiasm has waned as I keep seeing stupid mistakes entering in to my dictation. At first I thought it was my fault for slurring my words. But many of the mistakes were omissions -- an entire word left out -- or words that appeared as the past tense when the replay of the spoken word shows the normal tense. When I do have the time to 'Play that back' I hear gaps -- or drops -- in the recorded dictation. Sorry to be so non-techie, but it almost seems that the microphone goes to sleep on very short notice and when it wakes up I am into the next word or phrase.
Now I am wondering is the microphone I have is faulty. ------------------------- Bill |
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What exactly is this special algorithm with the greenlight mode that is so specific to Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 11 and above?, Does it mean if one can dictate within 10 inches of the microphone, then the greenlight mode is not of any additional benefit?
------------------------- Dell Inspiron 7520 SE, 2ghz core i7(Ivy bridge), 8gb ram, 750gb Seagate Momentus XT SSD/HD Hybrid hard disk. SpeechWare 3 in 1, Sennhesser ME3, Buddy USB 6G, Windows 7 Ultimate, Office 2007. |
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If you’re using WSR, you might want to consider the blue light mode but the primary reason for purchasing the SpeechWare 3-in-1 TableMike would be to take advantage of the green light mode which engages additional features that include auto-level control, auto EQ, de-clicking algorithm (SpeechWare’s significantly faster version of the DNS Nothing But Words algorithm) and the Ver. 11/12 algorithms which are impregnated into the circuit board. It seems that most of our customers are additionally using the green light mode for VoIP applications and other uses because you can back off further from the microphone but the green light mode changes the characteristics of your voice and if you listen to the playback, your voice will sound a bit thin and filtered. While NaturallySpeaking likes this, it isn’t considered the best way to use this microphone for other purposes and that’s why the blue light (bypass mode) was included. We also have a number of people who swear that the green light mode works better with NaturallySpeaking 10 but it isn’t really optimized for Ver. 10 either. -------------------------
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Lunis or others: Is there a way to capture the audio generated from "play that back" so I can build a catalog of examples where it seems the 3-in-1 is 'chopping' and swallowing my words? If such is possible, I might be able to confirm if in fact my copy of the 3-in-1 may have a fault.
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Bill, in order to capture the audio, you might consider activating the "save audio with document" feature under "Tools - Options - Data", which will save both the document along with the audio portion to a DRA file as long as you are dictating into DragonPad or MS Word. A while ago, I had developed a little application facilitating extracting the audio part of a DRA file to a WAV file, if memory serves me well, and I might dig it up somehow. Other than that, missing or dropped words altogether when using the 3-in-1 was just what I experienced when using it very briefly, so you maybe you are not alone. Rüdiger
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thanks Rüdiger. If you do happen to find your program I certainly would appreciate a copy. I guess I could always use the Rube Goldberg approach as well– simply play the dictation back and record it on my smart phone and then transfer the audio back to the Windows desktop. ------------------------- Bill |
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c:\ProgramData\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Users\user_name\current\2_1_container\drafiles
If you can't see the ProgramData folder then go to Tools | Folder Options | View (in Windows Explorer) check the radio button to how hidden files, folders, and drives. The only problem is there may not be a program available to open these files. I don't think Nuance wants anyone to mess with these files ------------------------- Dell Inspiron 7520 SE, 2ghz core i7(Ivy bridge), 8gb ram, 750gb Seagate Momentus XT SSD/HD Hybrid hard disk. SpeechWare 3 in 1, Sennhesser ME3, Buddy USB 6G, Windows 7 Ultimate, Office 2007. |
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Except for writing your own program, if you are familiar with the Dragon API, you'll be good to go with DragonPad if you have the professional version.
Rüdiger
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