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Topic Title: Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition
Topic Summary: Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW vs Sennheiser ME3
Created On: 01/23/2012 08:32 PM
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 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/23/2012 08:32 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Bruce Tjosvold - 01/24/2012 01:03 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 01/24/2012 03:18 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Bruce Tjosvold - 01/26/2012 07:21 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/26/2012 08:20 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - G.J. Premo - 01/24/2012 03:07 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 01/24/2012 03:24 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - R. Wilke - 01/24/2012 06:35 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/24/2012 08:20 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 01/25/2012 06:44 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - G.J. Premo - 01/24/2012 10:41 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/25/2012 12:46 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - docdempster - 01/25/2012 03:43 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 01/25/2012 06:49 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - docdempster - 01/27/2012 03:57 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 01/27/2012 08:04 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/27/2012 10:43 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Gary - 02/13/2012 12:50 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/13/2012 10:17 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - DB - 01/28/2012 11:01 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/29/2012 07:48 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - G.J. Premo - 01/30/2012 05:47 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 01/30/2012 06:11 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 01/30/2012 09:49 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - brainybanana - 01/31/2012 07:54 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Amin Sabet - 01/31/2012 10:28 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/01/2012 08:38 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Amin Sabet - 02/05/2012 11:37 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/06/2012 09:15 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/07/2012 01:27 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/07/2012 09:36 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/07/2012 03:03 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Kyle Eaton - 02/07/2012 06:28 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/07/2012 06:41 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Kyle Eaton - 02/07/2012 06:46 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/07/2012 07:27 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - G.J. Premo - 02/10/2012 06:17 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/10/2012 06:25 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - G.J. Premo - 02/11/2012 05:48 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/11/2012 11:17 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/12/2012 12:47 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - G.J. Premo - 02/16/2012 02:52 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/16/2012 07:59 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/17/2012 11:08 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/23/2012 07:24 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/23/2012 11:20 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - TallPaul - 02/25/2012 07:22 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/25/2012 01:02 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/08/2012 10:34 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - threevok - 02/08/2012 04:46 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - R. Wilke - 02/08/2012 04:49 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 02/08/2012 06:21 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - R. Wilke - 02/08/2012 06:27 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 02/09/2012 02:16 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - mppcarey - 04/14/2012 12:48 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 04/14/2012 07:04 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/14/2012 02:04 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Amin Sabet - 06/28/2012 12:09 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Amin Sabet - 02/08/2012 07:40 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Kyle Eaton - 02/08/2012 10:24 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/07/2012 05:15 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Amin Sabet - 02/08/2012 07:57 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - brainybanana - 02/07/2012 07:56 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - JulianNott - 02/12/2012 01:47 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/12/2012 02:14 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - docdempster - 02/18/2012 08:23 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Macky - 02/26/2012 08:03 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 02/26/2012 09:11 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - danno73 - 03/04/2012 03:07 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/04/2012 03:56 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - danno73 - 03/04/2012 09:49 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/05/2012 12:01 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - danno73 - 03/06/2012 12:32 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - danno73 - 03/06/2012 07:57 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/07/2012 11:42 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - danno73 - 03/08/2012 03:42 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 03/05/2012 04:15 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Alan - 03/10/2012 05:21 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 03/10/2012 06:13 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Alan - 03/10/2012 06:28 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 03/10/2012 06:36 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - xxtraloud - 03/13/2012 01:07 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/13/2012 03:54 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Forz - 03/30/2012 03:24 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/30/2012 04:45 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Forz - 04/02/2012 10:04 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/03/2012 02:00 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Forz - 04/03/2012 06:38 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/03/2012 11:09 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Forz - 04/04/2012 08:16 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/05/2012 12:03 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Forz - 04/06/2012 08:09 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/07/2012 02:35 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - xxtraloud - 04/09/2012 12:20 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 04/09/2012 02:34 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - xxtraloud - 04/10/2012 03:30 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Chucker - 04/14/2012 06:53 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 06/28/2012 09:45 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - wheelstb - 07/07/2012 07:43 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - mppcarey - 07/07/2012 08:38 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - wheelstb - 07/08/2012 01:20 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - bobmcconn - 08/28/2013 05:24 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Lunis Orcutt - 08/28/2013 07:06 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - flexy123 - 08/25/2013 07:50 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - wheelstb - 08/25/2013 10:13 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 08/28/2013 07:44 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Draganus - 03/10/2014 07:42 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - phils - 03/10/2014 08:00 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - TCXO - 03/11/2014 12:07 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Draganus - 03/11/2014 04:28 AM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - TCXO - 03/11/2014 07:21 AM  
 Compared to previous one you sold   - Trionalaw - 03/13/2014 09:04 AM  
 Compared to previous one you sold   - phils - 03/13/2014 01:06 PM  
 Compared to previous one you sold   - Trionalaw - 03/15/2014 02:33 PM  
 Compared to previous one you sold   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/13/2014 02:55 PM  
 Compared to previous one you sold   - Trionalaw - 03/15/2014 02:35 PM  
 Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW Sets the New Gold Standard for Speech Recognition   - Draganus - 03/23/2014 07:09 PM  
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Over the years, we have introduced a number of microphones which we consider to be the Gold Standard for speech recognition. The following is a quick history for those who may have missed some of our previous announcements:

#1 Best Wireless Microphone =
Samson Airline 77 available in 110 V and 220 V
#2 Best Combo Telephone Wireless Microphone =
Jabra Pro 9470
#3 Best Handheld Programmable Microphone = Dictaphone PowerMic II
#4 Best TableMike = SpeechWare 3-in-1
#5 Best Wired Headset Microphone = Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW

From 2002 through 2004, the gold standard wired headset microphone was the Sennheiser ME3 which is still popular. Although the ME3 is a great microphone, it hasn't been improved since its inception. While Sennheiser basked in its success, other hungrier microphone manufacturers worked feverishly to topple the ME3 from its #1 rating. UmeVoice’s theBoom line of microphones was the 1st manufacturer to drop the ME3 down a peg followed by VXI revamping their TalkPro line of microphones and eventually the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW dropped the rest of the competition down a notch by introducing a number of firsts which include:

·         1st wired headset microphone to produce 100% accuracy in a controlled environment
·         1st microphone to produce 99% accuracy while listing to music at 85 dB
·         The only hyper-cardioid headset microphone on our website
·         1st microphone to be rated #1 by our in-house and independent microphone researchers in comfort, accuracy and noise cancellation
·         Can be worn around the back of the head like the Sennheiser ME3 (but not limited to the right side) or over the top of the head like a traditional microphone
·         Inexpensive when compared to most other professional microphones

If you would like a more in-depth review, which includes the top 7 wired headset microphones see our Battle of the Headset Microphones

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Lunis,

I currently use the ME3 at work, which is a noisy environment.

I have a soft voice.

Would the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW work any better or worse for a user with a soft voice?

 Thanks

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I currently use the ME3 at work, which is a noisy environment.

I have a soft voice.

Would the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW work any better or worse for a user with a soft voice?

Bruce,

Possibly. However, what still applies is that" If it ain't broken, don't fix it".

If the Sennheiser ME-3 works well for you, it's still up for grabs whether the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW will work any better. Remember, 20% of accuracy is dependent on hardware, but 70% is dependent upon user factors.

It also depends on what kind of accuracy you're getting. For example, you're getting 99% accuracy with your Sennheiser ME-3, it's unlikely that you're going to get much better than that even if the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is is good is Lunis says. I haven't gotten mine yet so I couldn't tell you. Nonetheless, I wouldn't gamble without more testing on this microphone. It's still too new to make this kind of determination.

Chuck Runquist
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Chuck,

I'm in the market for a new laptop. Currently I use a desktop PC at home with the Sennheiser E835 handheld mic that is positioned on a boom.  I don't do a lot of dictating at home so this microphone is just fine.

I'm not planning on replacing my ME3 at work. I have no complaints about this microphone. But since it must be worn around the back of the head, it wouldn't be very functional if I want to take my laptop, (whenever i buy it), into bed and lay down and start dictating.

As I said, I have a soft voice. What I really want to know is will my soft voice be a problem with this new microphone, Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW?

Thanks

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Chuck probably won't receive his Pro 8HEmW until next week but if you are able to get away with softly dictating into the ME3, which in our opinion is no easy feat, it should be significantly easier with the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW which is 300 ohms (as in hotter output). You can almost get away with whispering into the Pro 8HEmW.

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I thought the Boom "O" which just arrived by Fed Ex yesterday was the gold standard in wired mics.  It's hard to keep up with the gold standard.
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G.J.,

The Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is a brand-new microphone and hasn't had a chance to be tested more than Lunis' initial testing. Your purchase of the Boom-O was made before any testing of this microphone was available. The testing is still very limited. Nevertheless, as close as the Sennheiser ME-3 and Boom-O are, the differences in terms of accuracy noise canceling basically insignificant. That is, you could never prove statistically that one is better than the other. The judgment here is almost purely subjective. I would reserve judgment until others have a chance to put the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW through its paces.

Chuck Runquist
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That is, you could never prove statistically that one is better than the other. The judgment here is almost purely subjective.

Chuck,

why not compare both immediately against each other?

Rüdiger

 



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Unfortunately Chuck’s Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW microphone won't ship out until tomorrow. MWe might want to give him a little time If it was not for this forum, we wouldn't even know about this new wired headset microphone.

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Rüdiger,

I would give you an immediate comparative testing result, but, as Lunis points out, I haven't received my test unit and it's a little bit difficult to test with vaporware.

Besides, adequate side-by-side testing is a time-consuming process. This particular microphone may have a better output characteristics and noise canceling than the Sennheiser ME-3, but anyone who is currently getting 99.9% accuracy out of and Sennheiser ME-3 is not going to see any significant improvements with the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW over the Sennheiser ME-3 or even the Boom-O simply because 99.9% accuracy translates into one misrecognition out of every 1000 words. 100% accuracy may be possible under some conditions, but overall accuracy will never be 100%. Nevertheless, I doubt seriously that applying even comprehensive statistical analysis would produce any "statistical significance" between any of these microphones.

Unfortunately, since I haven't received mine yet, I have no way of confirming or rejecting Lunis' findings. However, since Lunis and I had a detailed conversation about this particular microphone and I note his enthusiasm, I've no reason to doubt his findings at this point. Once I have received mine, I'll be able to draw a comparison between Lunis' findings and mine. Until then, Lunis is the only one who has one of these mics.

Chuck Runquist
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Not complaining, just lamenting the coincidental timing - now my Boom "0" has slipped from 10/10 on noise cancellation to 9/10 on noise cancellation the day after it arrived.  Boo-hoo!  Like ordinals in figure skating, I guess.   If one goes to the top, another must move down.  But I want the speaker earphone to listen to voicemail, so I would have stuck with the Boom anyway.  Seems good on noise cancellation so far.  After spending over a grand on various wireless mics, to heck with them, I'll do anything to avoid the insertions of keyclicks and the him him him's.
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Under the circumstances, your current theBoom "O" is probably the best choice because it's the only 1 of the top 3 microphones that includes a speaker. Please note that we don't recommend any current owner of the Sennheiser ME3, Tria V-DC, TalkPro UC1 - UC3 or any of theBoom line of microphones to trade up because these are all 1st rate microphones and as Chuck noted, anyone with relatively high accuracy wouldn't notice the difference. However there can only be 1 King of the Hill and that makes the current gold standard everyone's target.

If you were using an OEM, Plantronics or Logitech microphone and asked us for a microphone recommendation last week, we would've recommended theBoom "O" which has been our #1 favorite for at least 3 years but if you were to ask us that same question today, we would recommend the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW. The entire speech recognition landscape seems to be a moving target. A few weeks ago, we purchased our 1st iPad 2. Within a week, we heard about the iPad 3 which will be introduced in the upcoming weeks. Thank goodness we made that purchase with frequent flyer miles.

We still prefer the
SpeechWare 3-in-1 in our relatively quiet work environment but when we  hit the road, with our notebook computer, we will be packing the Pro 8HEmW into our messenger bag (sometimes referred to as a man bag but never never never referred to as a purse; a term the Big Haired Lady uses all too frequently in public)


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How does the HEMW compare with the HEX or the HECW, are they just different terminations (eg xlr 3.5mm) of the same headset.

 

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Paul

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How does the HEMW compare with the HEX or the HECW, are they just different terminations (eg xlr 3.5mm) of the same headset.

Paul,

Yes, that is the only difference between the various models. The only one that you should be interested in is the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW.

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what is the connection on the hemw as compared to the hex....

is it a 3.5mm jack for the hemw and the hex was xlr. Is a xlr input better.

 

There is a similar sounding headset which has a audio technica connection for their wireless systems, which could not be plugged into a PC. (see their website where I asked a similar question)

 do you convert the headset a little like the me3?

 

I live in the UK so it is difficult to get a headset from you.

Please open a British outlet soon.

Regards Paul gD

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what is the connection on the hemw as compared to the hex....
is it a 3.5mm jack for the hemw and the hex was xlr. Is a xlr input better.

Paul,

First, NO, the XLR input is not better. In fact, it's not better or worse. It's just different. However, it's not applicable to using this microphone with speech recognition or with a PC period.
 

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There is a similar sounding headset which has a audio technica connection for their wireless systems, which could not be plugged into a PC. (see their website where I asked a similar question)
 do you convert the headset a little like the me3?

No, the headset comes as is out-of-the-box, ready to rock 'n roll with Dragon. Lunis does not have to make any changes to the microphone itself. And, Yes, you plug it into a USB SoundPod or your soundcard the same way that you do with the Sennheiser ME-3.

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We make 2 miniscule modifications to the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW microphone (w/KB PLUS PACK). We add a six-foot breakaway shielded extension cord because the unit only includes a 4 foot cord and we ship it in our neoprene KnowBrainer zipped microphone bag. You should be able to easily source a mono or stereo extension cord locally. The Pro HEX and Pro HEcW models use the same microphone element and headset but include different connectors and that's why we don't market them. The other units will work just as well but require additional somewhat pricey adapters and for speech recognition. The only reason the Pro 8HEmW even exists is because it was originally designed for a video camera which may make it difficult to find locally. This item is even hard to find in the US and when you can find it, it's on backorder because it's not typically a stock item. However, after Audio-Technica graciously donated a unit for us to test, we knew we had to become a licensed reseller.

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I obviously can't see the wood for the trees, how do you adjust this microphone over/round your head, it comes out of the box ready for an eight-year-old head (or mine is absolutely enormous)! Appreciate some suggestions (polite) please....

FYI - I'm in the UK and could only find the HEX model which I bought with an XLR adapter which works absolutely fine with my soundcard
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The following instructions are copied from our Pro 8HEmW user guide:

1.    The Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW headset can be worn behind your head (with the microphone element on either side) or over-the-top of your head (like a traditional headset microphone). If you opt for the back of the head option, the 2 twin front pads should rest comfortably on your temples. If you choose to wear the Pro 8HEmW as a traditional headset, the twin pads should be positioned slightly in front of your ears. Note that you may need to move headband slightly further back than a traditional headset to maintain proper balance.


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Re delivery to UK: I'd like to buy from the Knowbrainer shop in support of the excellent info on this forum. In addition to shipping charges, do any UK purchasers (or indeed Knowbrainer) have experience of what, if any, import duties, VAT and taxes are levied?

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Is this microphone a new model recently put on the market, or is it just newly discovered?  When did it come out?
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G.J.,

The Audio-Technica people called me today because they sent me one of these microphones for testing. I could've asked them, but I will certainly e-mail them and ask them what the history of this microphone is. On the other hand, Lunis may be able to to enlighten you in the meantime. I certainly don't know at this point.

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The Pro 8HEmW is not a new microphone. It's newly discovered. We are not certain how long it has been around but 1 of the reasons why we host this forum is so that we can check out new gear via member recommendations. We even purchased a $2000 5" x 7" computer to see how it would work with NaturallySpeaking. That turned out to be a fiasco but when we can't find out any other way, we will typically buy the item. One of this forum’s members, who also purchased Sennheiser ME3, mentioned purchasing this microphone a few weeks ago and liked it so we had to give it a go too. This forums membership is responsible for lot of speech recognition innovations but don't worry, we are always willing to take credit for those discoveries

We suspect that one of the reasons why the Pro 8HEmW has taken so long to be discovered is because the manufacturer only makes a handful of these microphones per. The Pro 8HEmW only comes with a 4 foot cord because it's designed to be used with a video camera. They just happen to have the perfect 3.5 mm plug for speech recognition. It's the Pro 8HEX and Pro 8HEcWs that are far more popular because they're designed to work with a belt pack wireless microphone systems.


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It was Amin Sabet in one of his posting on the forum that first alerted Lunis to the possibilities offered by this particular microphone. Lunis being the complete microphone anorak that he is could not help himself, so he went and purchased said microphone; and the rest is history........................................




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I was happy to get an email today from Lunis pointing to the KnowBrainer review.  Glad others are enjoying this microphone as much as I am!  I never did A/B testing against the ME-3 and probably never will because the performance is close enough between the two that the difference is irrelevant to me and other factors like comfort become more important.

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Amin, we owe you a debt of thanks for this discovery. It may have been around since 1992 but if it were not for you, is a good chance we never would've discovered this gem.

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I'm glad I could contribute.

My background noise tends to be in front and slightly to the right.  The ability to wear this micrphone on the left is optimal, since hypercardioid and super cardioid mics pick up a tiny jet of sound at 180 degrees.  The other thing I love about this mic is that without removing it or even adjusting the temple pads, I can swing up the mic arm (it pivots) to eat/drink/talk on the phone without the mic getting in the way.  Can't do that with the Sennheiser ME-3.

I have four great microphones now, and this one sees more use than any of the rest. 

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I got my headset from Lunis today and without a doubt it is more noise canceling and accurate than the BoomO. I actually did not notice to be any less accurate in comparison to the Airline77. in fact it might be slightly more noise canceling within the terrible acoustic layout of my office. However, the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmWA is very uncomfortable for me to wear. I am going to have to fiddle with it in order to find the right balance of stability and comfort. 

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My background noise tends to be in front and slightly to the right.  The ability to wear this micrphone on the left is optimal, since hypercardioid and super cardioid mics pick up a tiny jet of sound at 180 degrees.  The other thing I love about this mic is that without removing it or even adjusting the temple pads, I can swing up the mic arm (it pivots) to eat/drink/talk on the phone without the mic getting in the way.  Can't do that with the Sennheiser ME-3.

Amin,

First, if your background noise tends to be in front and slightly to the right, why are you positioning the microphone element on the left, which, unless I misunderstand you, focuses the background noise directly on the front of the microphone element. That would tend to be self-defeating because what you really want is for the background noise to go through the baffles on the back of the microphone element casing. Audio-Technica has developed of baffling technique that is very effective for noise suppression because it both reduces the SPL effect (reduces the signal strength of any ambient background noise) and then feeds the background through the microphone element 180° out of phase in such a manner that it effectively cancels out just the right frequencies without impacting on the clarity of your speech and without necessitating re-amplification of the output signal. In short, it makes the speech signal very clear.

As regards hypercardioid and super cardioid microphone elements, noise canceling microphones that use this type of microphone element use the small polar pattern at the 180° focus in the same manner that the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW uses baffling. That is, the small jet of sound that's coming from the 180° position reduces the strength of the signal output from that location (SPL) and then feeds it through the microphone element 180° out of phase which performs the same exact function as baffling. The hypercardioid and super cardioid microphone elements are better adapted to extremely high noise levels because they also use a reduced sensitivity level of approximately -47 dB +/- 10 dB. The long and the short of it is that it would make much sense to use hypercardioid or super cardioid microphone element Re: noise canceling if they didn't use it in this manner. Also, the super cardioid microphone element produces better noise canceling than the hypercardioid element, but the difference is not that significant.

Regardless of which technique is used, the overall effect is the same. That is, both techniques produce cleaner speech signal in the presence of high ambient background noise levels. The only difference is how well they perform at specific ambient noise levels in terms of overall accuracy. That is, at what level (volume) does the ambient background noise begin to degrade accuracy.

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I got my headset from Lunis today and without a doubt it is more noise canceling and accurate than the BoomO. I actually did not notice to be any less accurate in comparison to the Airline77. in fact it might be slightly more noise canceling within the terrible acoustic layout of my office. However, the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmWA is very uncomfortable for me to wear. I am going to have to fiddle with it in order to find the right balance of stability and comfort.

Phil,

I did a side-by-side comparison using two identical systems and two identical user profiles under DNS 11.5 Professional and the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone fared better at or around, as well as above 88 dB ambient background noise measured using a digital sound meter. Nevertheless, the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is definitely a better performer than the Sennheiser ME-3 or the Boom-O when compared to my testing of those microphones some time ago. All tests were strictly controlled so that only the microphone performance was the measured variable.

All this being said, I definitely like the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW and consider it the best wired microphone that I have seen to date. The fact that you can wear it pretty much any way that you want, position the microphone element on the right or the left as desired, rotate the microphone boom, and the fact that it is extremely comfortable despite the fact that some have found it not as comfortable as you and I, and Lunis if I can speak for him, along with its excellent performance and accuracy under most conditions definitely makes it the new leader of the pack for wired headsets.

Lastly, this microphone has been around for a long long time. The following was in response to an e-mail to John Cheese from Audio-Technica:

"As near as I can tell, the PRO8HEMW was introduced into the market as an “add-on” component to our PRO88 series of pro-sumer wireless in 1992.  It just so happens that when our “rep” called on Lunis, he became intent on finding a replacement for the Sennheiser piece. 

I will not mislead you and say the MW was designed specifically for your application(s)……………it was not…………………..it just so happens that, coincidently, it fits!!
 The MW is a 1/8” terminated version of our standard PRO8HE (XLR termination) that has been in our line ever since I can remember………..(I’m 64 and have been with A-T about 14 years—16 years if you count the two year hiatus I took)."

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within the terrible acoustic layout of my office...

Chuck, it seems that the AT mic element can be more favorably placed (given its sensitivity pattern) to not pick up the slap echos from my multiple 30" screens. My wife sits to my left about 8 feet away in the other corner, also with multiple 30 inch screens. Therefore there is a double bounce when she is conducting a WebEx and her voice goes right into the Airline 77 mic from my right. 

My comment does not mean I think that generally the AT is superior in noise rejection to the Airline 77.

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Some of you may have noticed that a first-time poster by the name of ChickenLittle was removed today. He remarked that the Pro 8HEmW microphone was too tight.

We want everyone to know that we never remove negative postings about any product but in this particular case, when researching ChickenLittle’s real name and e-mail address, we found them to be fakes. We verified our findings by additionally tracking the IP address. We believe ChickenLittle’s post was a ruse from 1 of our competitors who is using our 2004 endorsement of the Sennheiser ME3 add at
emicrophones. We have repeatedly asked this reseller, in e-mails, voicemails and forum postings to remove our endorsement from his website but he has unfortunately chosen the unethical path of ignoring us. With the introduction of the Pro 8HEmW, our competitor may be feeling some pressure because his version of the Sennheiser ME3 is a specialized run which means he has to purchase 500 at a time. He has also been making trouble about this microphone on the MacSpeech forum but we really can't help the fact that Amin introduced us all to a better lower-priced microphone and technology waits for no one


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No, I am real.  I have the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW.  I bought it because I read your review.  I have a big head and it crushes my ears.  Any suggestions.  Don't see how that was negative, unless it was negative against my fat head?

 ChickenLittle aka Kyle Eaton

 ps Still looking for an answer, and don't understand why my account was blocked.  I am just starting to use Dragon 10.0 and I thought that this forum would be of help.  However, getting the feeling that I am not welcomed.  

 Lunis you are more than welcome to give me a call at my firm to verify that I am not who you think I am, just pull up the website that is my email domain. 

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Kyle I am one with a "Fat Head" also and out of the box the AT was way too tight. First do not put it right over your ears. Second the head band can be bent open. Third add additional foam. I also have had luck wearing it "horse collar" behind my neck but have not yet stabilized stabilized this position with foam.

OOB this head set is way more uncomfortable than the original Arline 77 (which is saying a lot) I am thinking of more radical actions such as transplanting to a decent head strap with our without headphones. But for today it is modification with foam.

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Thanks, Phil.  I don't have a lot of experience with mics period.  I really appreciate the help.  I will try playing with it.  I tried to wear it horse collar behind my neck but still pinches a bit.  Don't know why I am surprised though.  I am 6' 8'' 290 lbs.  There isn't much that fits me well...
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Kyle, try this, set the ear pads just behind your clavicles. the mic will point upward and tip forward. If it is too tight on the front of the neck bend the band open. Get a chunck of foam about 1.5 inch thick and two inches long. Place it at the headband now resting on the back of your neck. The foam should be soft but heavy enough to push the microphone back so the band balances across your shoulders. Add two small pieces of foam on the band where it crosses you left and right shoulder (I chopped out a piece of memory foam)

This has been my afternoon configuration and it is getting close. Once you are happy, Dr. Scholl's moleskin makes for a good sweat band.

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I must be jinxed.  Everyone said the 3-in-1 was the cat's meow, I got one and it was a lemon, and the only result was that I had to pay shipping of the lemon to and fro to go back to square one.

 Now I got an Audio Technica Pro 8HEmW (not from Lunis) because its said to be the cat's meow, and it won't even pass the DNS quality test, most times won't pass even the volume test.  Its going back also.

Doesn't work at all when fully seated in the Buddy 5G sound pod, the one exposed ring on the plug doesn't match the exposed parts inside the Buddy. You have pull the plug out a little bit to match the (one) contact on the plug, and even then has above problems. The contact apparently fits when put into the Andrea USB sound pod, but has the above problems.   

The Boom-O recently I got from Lunis does work fine, and seems preferable.  The Boom O's 3.5 mm mic plug has 2 metal rings for contact, the ATP's plug has only one. But I'm hauling the Boom-O back and forth between home and work, which is why I thought get another mic with good noise cancellation (or "suppression" if you insist).  (I have a ton of other mics, but without superior noise cancellation, too many "him's" and gremlins appear In the dictation to be useful).

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Our units include an additional 6 foot shielded breakaway cord which takes care of the monophonic ring problem on the original 4 foot cord. You should be able to source a similar stereophonic cable at your local RadioShack store. We say "similar" because we have better luck avoiding RadioShack parts.

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I do not understand this. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If the single metal contact on the microphone plug is an issue, why would adding an extension help?
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Short answer is that not all audio devices including computers are compatible with both a TRS mono and stereo male plug.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_ring_sleeve and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_and_video_interfaces_and_connectors for more than you want to know.

The extension cable on the AT mic is also an adapter for TRS mono to stereo. On theBoom which has a proprietary connector, you buy the connector cord you need for each application for example telephone vs. PC.

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I do not understand this. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If the single metal contact on the microphone plug is an issue, why would adding an extension help

G.J.,

The problem has nothing to do with the 3.5 mm miniplug on the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW. In your case,, it simply due to the fact that if you are attempting to use the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW with the Buddy USB 5G, Fagetaboutit!!! It's not compatible with the Buddy USB 5G. I've tested it with the Buddy USB 6G, the Andrea PureAudio USB-SA, the Buddy USB 5G, and the Andrea half duplex USB SoundPods it works just fine with all these USB SoundPods with the only exception being the Buddy USB 5G. It also works fine just using the built-in soundcard on my Toshiba laptop (Core™ i7 2670QM second-generation Sandy Bridge processor). I've also tested it on my Core™ i7 980X Extreme and my Core™ i7 920. Works fine on all of those systems and with all of the USB SoundPods that I've listed except the Buddy USB 5G. However, that's a known issue because the Sennheiser ME-3 will not work on the Buddy USB 5G either and was one of the reasons why the Buddy USB 6G was introduced. The Speech-to-Noise-Ratio (SNR) on all of the systems tested and all of the USB SoundPods on which the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW works was right around 28 dB, whether it was on Windows 7 64-bit with DNS 11-11.5 Professional, or DMPE, or on Windows XP using DNS 10.1 Medical.

The link that Phil provided:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_ring_sleeve

explains it best, but as long as the male plug (3.5 mm or 1/8 inch) shaft is the same length whether they are mono or stereo as shown in the diagrams in the above link, it should make no difference which type of plug a particular microphone has. The output from a single element microphone is Mono and the only difference is that in the stereo plug one side of the circuit is shunted across both output cylinders on the main shaft. Only a true stereo microphone that uses two distinct microphone elements actually uses the stereo output shafts because one side of each microphone element is connected to ground, which is the central shaft culminating in the diamond shaped tip at the end of the plug and the other wire from each microphone element is attached to one of the cylindrical stereo shafts. The only cases where a Mono miniplug creates any type of problems and all is where the design and the length of the shaft don't correspond to the input jack on the device into which you are plugging the microphone. That is extremely rare.

The bottom line is that the miniplug on the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is designed properly even though it is mono vs. stereo, and will work as long as the soundcard into which you plug it is compatible. As I've already stated, if you're using the Buddy USB 5G, it's no wonder that the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW isn't working.

Lastly, the only reason that the extension is provided is because the cable on the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is only 4 feet long and if you have to connected to a USB SoundPod or internal soundcard that is further away than 4 feet, then you need the extension. Otherwise, the type of plug on the microphone makes no difference whatsoever and is not the reason for the extension cable.

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Mono to stereo adapter, RadioShack part number 2740374, when plugged into Andrea sound pod, appears to have solved the problem.  At least it now passes the DNS tests.
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The 6 foot shielded extension cord, that we add to the Pro 8HEmW 4 foot cord, also takes care of this issue.

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Mono to stereo adapter, RadioShack part number 2740374, when plugged into Andrea sound pod, appears to have solved the problem. At least it now passes the DNS tests.


G.J.,

That shouldn't be necessary. The only reason why stereo jack might work where the standard off the microphone 1/8 inch Mono miniplug wouldn't work is if there is a problem with the female input Jack on the soundcard or USB SoundPod. Ever since your first post I've plugged the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW into every system and every soundcard that I have without using any extension cable or stereo adapter. I've not had one problem with any of those configurations. But I do know that the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW will not work with the Buddy USB 5G because I have one of those and I tested it. No signal output from that one using the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW. However, even the Sennheiser ME-3 with the standard 1/8 inch miniplug (Mono) doesn't work in the Buddy USB 5G either.

Sorry to hear that you have to wrap your leg around your neck to get it to work, but your problem is the exception rather than the rule.

I passed your problem on to the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW engineers and they are scratching their heads. They say that you shouldn't be having that problem. However, they're going to look into the issue and see if they can come up with any ideas as to why this might be the case as regards your problem with that microphone. The only thing they could think of is that, for some reason or other, the 1/8 inch miniplug on your Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW might have a manufacturing glitch whereby there is a lip that prevents the plug from fully inserting into the female Jack. Otherwise, they can't replicate your problem either.

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Chuck, I just had the same problem with the Buddy 5G. I am on the road and wanted to use the Buddy because of The short USB connector. If I push the pin side of the AT all the way in the 5G plug I get no signal. if I pull it out ever so slightly so it is not completely seated with in the Buddy 5G then I get a signal. The adapter works with the Buddy 5G and both work with PureAudio.

I suspect that the body 5G female connector is the problem.

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Phil,

Until now I never considered the female input on the Buddy USB 5G as the reasons why some microphones wouldn't work and some would. However, now that you bring it up it makes perfect sense because there were a couple of microphones down the line that would not work at all with the Buddy USB 5G and given that those microphones at similar types of 1/8 inch (3.5 mm) Mono miniplugs you may have hit the nail on the head. I still have my Buddy USB 5G and I'll experiment with that.

Sometimes I should take my own advice per below.

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Hi,

I wonder if anyone can help. I live in the UK and recently tried to buy a Audio Technica Microphone Pro 8HEmW, following all the positive stories I had read on KnowBrainer.

Finding a Pro 8HEmW in the UK seems to be impossible, so I purchased a Pro 8 HEX from a merchant via Amazon (the plan was to add an XLR adapter and et voila!).

However, what arrived in the post was a Pro 8HEcW, which terminates with locking 4-pin connector for A-T UniPak® body-pack wireless transmitters. They do not make adapters for that.

The merchant have been responsive and apologetic, and are paying to have it exchanged. However, their technical guys have offered to change the connector for me, i.e. remove the current plug and add a 3.5mm jack (or whatever I like).

Leaving aside warrantee considerations for a moment , they seem to be ready to adapt the mic however I request. So I was wondering whether anyone could advise what to ask for? The Pro 8 HEmW terminates with a 3.5mm monophonic plug, but there is also talk on this site about using stereophonic extension cables. I am not technical, I was wondering what this all means. Obviously, I'm plugging the mic into a 3.5mm laptop socket and using is for speech recognition.

With that purpose in mind, I would appreciate any advice on what kind of cable and connector I should ask for. Thanks

PS: With the benefit of hindsight it would have been easier to buy it from KnowBrainer and deal with the shipping and tax issues, but that's hindsight...

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                        Welcome to the World’s Most Popular Speech Recognition Forum

Adding a proper monophonic 3.5 mm plug to your existing unit should be relatively easy to do but it will also 86/nick your 1 year factory warranty and we recommend against that procedure. It sounds like your Amazon reseller doesn't have access to the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW. Also note that if your Amazon reseller doesn't have an appropriate Audio-Technica Authorized Reseller license displayed, as you can see under the previous link, any Audio-Technica microphone they are offering (modified or not) will not be covered under the factory warranty because non-authorized resellers are selling gray marketed microphones. This is a major problem with eBay and Amazon vendors.

Note that if you're willing to forgo the warranty and accepts the 3.5 monophonic plug, you still have to deal with a 4 foot audio cable that will not work on most soundcards. That's why our version of this microphone says KnowBrainer PLUS PACK. We include an appropriate six-foot stereo shielded cable and a zippered neoprene carrying bag. Our 6 foot extension cord is designed to work with a monophonic 3.5 mm plug on 1 end terminating in a stereo 3.5 mm plug on the other end so that it will be acceptable in all soundcards. This is 1 of the pitfalls of working with a non-speech recognition reseller but we suspect that other UK resellers will soon be carrying this item if you don't mind waiting.


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Our apologies Kyle. We had assumed that you were an imposter because we've been having a lot of trouble from one of our competitors who has to purchase a huge amount of Sennheiser ME3's, the Pro 8HEmW’s competition and has joined this forum over 20 times, under various aliases so that he can generally cause trouble and spam the membership with recommendations to his website. Where this microphone is so new, we didn't think anyone, this early in the game, would be able to source the Pro 8HEmW from another reseller (other than speechrecsolutions.com) because the stock model only includes a 4 foot cord and in most cases, would require an additional shielded extension cord, which we include. When we didn't find your name in our sales records, we wrongfully assumed you were an imposter.

Besides extending our apologies, we have also sent you a complimentary copy of our $199 KnowBrainer 2011 command utility which works with all versions of NaturallySpeaking from the Home Edition on up and will add additional command functionality to NaturallySpeaking.
 

You mentioned that it was tight on the ears. Interestingly enough, 1 of our forum members mentioned seeing a salesperson from Audio-Technica demonstrating the microphone at CES or the NAMM show and he was actually trying to wear it on his ears. This microphone isn't supposed to be worn on the ears like a traditional headset. That's why there is no adjustable headband. We include a specialized user guide in our Pro 8HEmW bundles which includes a pictorial step-by-step on running the Audio Check and how to position the microphone. The Pro 8HEmW is designed to be worn around the back of the head with a microphone on either side. However, it can optionally be worn over the top of the head in a more or less traditional headset style but you will need to move the 2 small foam pads just in front of your ears and pull the top of the headband back a couple of inches on your head for balance.

However, if you still find a headset to be a bit tight, the headband is steel and easily flexible. Don't be afraid to bend the steel band outward to loosen it up.

PS: We also sent you a PDF of our Pro 8HEmW user guide and our new updated KnowBrainer manual which now includes basic, intermediate and advanced NaturallySpeaking training.


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Don't feel bad Kyle. I tried to join the forum as Marty123, was rejected, and had to settle for threevok.
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You could have done worse by going with something like "Mephistopheles".

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In a classical way, yes, however the person I am referring to did appear in a time, and in surroundings, where having avatars were still to become a fashion. As far as my memory, he was also a friend of Marty's.

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How would this mic do with a soft spoken speaker like me?

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How would this mic do with a soft spoken speaker like me?

mppcarey,

Hard to say. It may work very well, particularly if you couple it with the Andrea half duplex or the new Andrea PureAudio USB-SA, both of which have higher output gain (higher volume output). However, the only way to check is to test it via your voice.

If you can provide (attach) a copy of your audio.wav file (i.e., \current\voice_container\audio.wav) from your user profile, it might be possible to estimate how well this microphone would work.

On the other hand, the question that I have for you is how well does your PowerMic™ II work? If it works well, I wouldn't recommend changing horses in midstream because the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is a wired headset microphone, which simply means that, if you're working with patients, it has an odd look and it might scare them to death. Just kidding. Nevertheless, it wouldn't necessarily make for a better substitute.

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How would this mic do with a soft spoken speaker like me?


The Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW seems to work well with softer voices but if this is a major concern, you might consider theBoom line of microphones which are designed for lower volume input. However note that most models of theBoom line of microphones are currently sold out worldwide because of a severe manufacturer shortage which should be remedied in about 3 weeks.

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Originally posted by: mppcarey How would this mic do with a soft spoken speaker like me?

 

I have a great solution for anyone with a soft voice looking to use the AT Pro8HE, as long as you have plenty of working space, no need for portability, and are willing to spend a bit extra.  The solution is to buy the AT Pro8HEX (same as Pro8HEmW except that it terminates in an XLR connection) and an Alesis Multimix 8 USB FX Mixer.

 

The Alesis gives loads of clean gain to the microphone signal and has a USB out to your computer.  The Alesis also has inserts in case you ever want to add a limiter/expander to your audio chain.  I use a dbx 266XS, which completely kills the background noise of a loud air vent in my office, not to mention silencing key clicks, etc.

 

The Alesis will set you back about $140, which is pricy, but after having gone through a couple of different $40-50 USB pods, I've found that it's worth it for the higher, cleaner gain.  I can't say for sure that the Alesis will give better speech recognition results than my Andrea half duplex pod for a loud talker, but I'm confident it will do better for a quiet talker.  If you want to kill background noise, the dbx 266XS is another $140 plus about $10 for the insert cable.

 

The downsides to the Alesis are the lack of portability, cost, and space needed.  If those aren't showstoppers, it's a very effective solution, IMO superior to any of the USB pods.



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No, I am real.  I have the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW.  I bought it because I read your review.  I have a big head and it crushes my ears.

I find that there are a few comfortable ways to wear this microphone, but over the ears isn't one of them.  I rest the pads just a bit higher than my temples and swing the boom down from that position. 

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Thank you for all the tips, and thanks to Lunis who left me a message with some great tips.  My issue was that the headset was too much of a u-shape, which in turn made it sit higher up on my head, pinching my ears.    I put more of a v-shape in the headset which makes it longer allowing it to rest on the back of my neck, comfortably.  Looking forward to exploring the site more and adding what I can.  Thanks once again.
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Chuck, it seems that the AT mic element can be more favorably placed (given its sensitivity pattern) to not pick up the slap echos from my multiple 30" screens. My wife sits to my left about 8 feet away in the other corner, also with multiple 30 inch screens. Therefore there is a double bounce when she is conducting a WebEx and her voice goes right into the Airline 77 mic from my right.

My comment does not mean I think that generally the AT is superior in noise rejection to the Airline 77.

Phil,

Every situation is different, every user is different, and the characteristics of each microphone are different. When you put all three of those together with a specific type of ambient noise level background, some circumstances favor one microphone over the other and vice versa.

I fully understand having been in many similar types of situations where the use of one microphone is favored over the use of the other for various reasons.

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Cardioid microphones are the least sensitive (most noise rejection) at 180 degrees, whereas hypercardioid mics are the least sensitive at 110 degrees.  Supercardioid mics are somewhere in between.  So it isn't just about whether you want noise rejection but rather where those specific noises are that you want to reject.

The attached chart* does a good job of summarizing.  Of course the representations are two dimensional but in reality are three dimensional.  Also, the degree of attenuation varies with different microphone models of the same type as well as with different frequencies.

* Chart source: http://www.prideoflions.com/Pride_Of_Lions_Nine_Arts,_LLC%3A_Premium_Sound_for_the_Global_Film_Community/Glossary/Entries/2010/1/30_Glossary__Microphone_Patterns.html 



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I have this microphone, which was very kindly shipped to me by Lunis from the wilds of Tennessee. Said microphone headband was initially a little bit tight, but with a little bit of gentle flexing, it is possible to 'expand' the microphone headband to fit very comfortably around one's head. It is truly an outstanding microphone, and most definitely offers much superior 'noise cancelling' than the Sennheiser ME-3, a microphone utilised by me for a considerable amount of time. It is possible to play Bach extremely loudly in the background with no appreciable denigration in recognition accuracy; either with free-form dictation or dictating narrative from a textbook. If you are a doctor [physician to utilise the American parlance] working in a noisy hospital department utilising DNS, with an appropriate soundcard, then this is the microphone for you. However, my microphone of choice purely from a comfort perspective is my SpeechWare 3-in-1.



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Do you think it is better than the Airline 77 or just the best wired microphone?

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Julian,

No, it's not better than the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone, but it is close enough for government work, if you get my drift.

Basically it's the best wired microphone, but the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone still edges it out in overall noise canceling (noise rejection), particularly at very high ambient noise levels.

The way I would put it is that the top microphones by category are:

Wired: Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW
Wireless: Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone
Handheld: Audix OM7, Sennheiser MD 431 II, Shure 58M-LC

The bottom line is that these are all good microphones and under the conditions that most Dragon users dictate, you won't find much difference between performance and accuracy. Nevertheless, each microphone should be kept in its own category relative to comparing microphones. How well any of these microphones perform and how accurate is not only dependent upon the microphone itself but upon the end-user and the soundcard and/or USB SoundPod being used. 20% of performance is based on the microphone/soundcard, 70% of accuracy and performance is based on the user. All things being equal, the above list is how I would rank the top microphones in each category.

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I am a Uk customer, and I have to say this is a good mic. the headset is not comfy in the first instance, but with wearing in seems fine. A little bending and its good to go. it definitely is not meant to go anywhere  near the ears, temples or horse collar work for me.

I got it with the soundcard. Glad I did, as it fails without on my computer, and you definitely need to get a longer lead.

I also have an airline 77,(which is permanently situated in my office) so it will be interesting to see longer term which I prefer.I have to say that the airline seventy-seven is not particularly comfortable. I like the fact that you can raise and lower the boom on the HEMW and choose which side you wish to wear it on.

 

The HEMW is perfect for travelling(packs small and is very light) and works great with my laptop. love the knowbrainer bag and cables. Rather than sourcing things seperately it has been better just getting it all from you, I took it out of the bag plugged it in and off I went, with no problems

 All in all a perfect purchase which I would recommend.

 

 keep up the good work

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Is the AT PRO 8HECW comparable to the AT PRO 8HEMW, regarding performance, with the modification? 

 



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Is the AT PRO 8HECW comparable to the AT PRO 8HEMW, regarding performance, with the modification?

Macky,

They are the exact same microphone. That is, dynamic, hypercardioid polar pattern with the same exact engineering technical specifications. The only difference between the At Pro microphones is the cable connection.

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I am also having problems passing the audio quality test.  I had this on 3 year old laptop and now on my macbook pro running windows.  I can dictate and I have not noticed significant problems.  I am using the Andrea full duplex.  I was wondering because I do not have to output from the usb sound card connected, that there is a problem.  Does it matter?  Any help would be appreciated.

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Can you tell us what you mean by not having the USB output connected? Either the USB soundcard is connected through your USB port or not (bypassed). If you're talking about the Jack at the bottom of the Andrea USB soundcard, 1/4 inch from the cord, this is an input for the patch cord which we deliberately leave out of these units because we are afraid that end-users might use them. Do not use that input jack if that is what you are referring to.

When you run the Audio Check, does the blue bar stay at the top of the screen? If so, it sounds like you're not getting enough volume input level but our 1st recommendation would be to substitute a different USB port.


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I was referring to the output.  There is no output because of microphone does not have headphones with it.

When I do run the volume check, the blue bar does state to the top.  I had this problem on 2 separate computers and tried multiple USB ports and it is not fixing itself.  The microphone works fairly well, but it probably would work better.  Is there are some solution to this?
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If you are using the first-generation PureAudio soundcard (no cord), then that would quite possibly explain your results. As Chuck noted, the original PureAudio soundcard has a slightly weak output and isn't quite ideally suited to the Pro 8HEmW although the second-generation PureAudio soundcard (with a pigtail) is hotter and will work well. So will the 1\2 duplex ANC USB Pod and Buddy 6G USB Pod external USB soundcards. However, you will want to avoid the Buddy 7G (which overheats with the Pro 8HEmW) and the VXI USB soundcard which, like the original PureAudio, is a little underpowered.

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This is a confusing situation so I will try to explain a little better.

I had the Sampson airline and Buddy USB 6g I was using at office.  It works reasonably well, but it does not work well for Drangon MPE 11 because my processor is too slow.  I was using an old plantronics mic and dragon 11 with my asus laptop at home.  The laptop at home has a slightly better processor, but it is two years old so I have similar problems with Dragon 11, hangs up, spell that takes forever, etc. 

I decided to get the audio-technica pro to upgrade the microphone I have at home to see if this works any better.  I bought the Andrea USB pod full duplex sound card.  I was not able to pass the accuracy test for dragon.  This seemed to improve accuracy a little but I still have lag.  I was hoping to avoid buying a new computer. 

I have  a macbook pro I use at home.  I decided to use Boot Camp and install windows 7 64 bit.  I then installed Dragon, but again could not pass the accuracy test with the audio-technica pro and Andrea POD.  It worked much better in terms of accuracy and speed. 

There was one problem.  The macbook usb pod slots are really close together.  I could not fit the USB pod and anything else in the other slot.  I had to use a mouse to do my work.  I did try a bluetooth mouse, but it does not work, which is a known Windows 7 problem.  So in order to use both slots I used the Buddy 6g so the mouse could fit.  Now I cannot pass the volume or the quality test.  It is impossible to use this set up, accuracy is aweful.

Since the mic failed with two separate sound pods and on two separate laptops, I wonder if I have a defective microphone.  I bought it from you Lunis, so I wonder where I go from here.  I am going to try the Buddy 6g on my Asus laptop at home tonight and report back.  I can still record the log if you like for the Andrea and/or the Buddy, but I will have to do it later today.  Charts are piling up and not getting done while I respond to the forum. 

Thank you in advance for all your help.

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I think I definitely have a problem with the audio–technica microphone.  I use the Samson airline on my Macbook Pro and it works perfect except for 2 of those weird mutant commands.  I finally know what dragon 11 is supposed to work like.  I think my days will get a lot easier now.  I can tell I am tired because now it is not working and I have to correct everything. 

 Lunnis, should I contact you about an exchange/return, or do you want to see that log file.

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This actually sounds more like a cable issue them the Pro 8HEmW microphone. We have already issued you a RMA for your PureAudio USB soundcard and Pro 8HEmW so that we can test everything at our facility. You might try temporarily unplugging the extension cord just to see if we have a bad cable.

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I send you an e-mail and it was the extension cord. The microphone works great without it. Just wanted to update you and anyone else reading. 

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I am also having problems passing the audio quality test.  I had this on 3 year old laptop and now on my macbook pro running windows.  I can dictate and I have not noticed significant problems.  I am using the Andrea full duplex.  I was wondering because I do not have to output from the usb sound card connected, that there is a problem.  Does it matter?  Any help would be appreciated.

danno73,

Your post is a little confusing because you're KnowBrainer profile says that you're using the Andrea PureAudio USB-SA and the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone. Are you actually trying to set up and use the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW? If so, on which system. If you're using the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW, why in God's name are you not using the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone because as good as the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is, the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone still runs circles around it in every category. The Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW is a good substitution for the Sennheiser ME-3 for people who need a wired microphone. If you need it, OK. But if you don't, then your only spinning your wheels relative to the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone.

Otherwise, if you're referring to the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone, that's a whole different can of worms. There are things that you can do and conditions which you have to take into consideration with regard to the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone and the Andrea PureAudio USB-SA USB SoundPod. That's relatively easy to straighten out because I use the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone and the Andrea PureAudio USB-SA USB SoundPod and I know where you can run into some problems.

On the other hand, the Andrea PureAudio USB-SA USB SoundPod has a low output gain, which would cause the blue bar in the Volume Adjustment portion of the Audio Setup Wizard not to move very far from the top. Given the issue that you're describing, are you able to pass the Audio Setup Wizard Volume adjustment and Quality Check? Does it indicate that you've passed both? If so, and if you're using the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW, run the Audio Setup Wizard and then immediately attach a copy of your Dragon log. The Dragon log shows the SNR results from the Audio Setup Wizard in DNS 11, in your case DMPE. However, please remember that you cannot attach the Dragon log to any response to this post as Dragon.log. It must be Dragon.txt, otherwise we won't be able to view it. The way to do this is to simply say "open show Dragon log" or go to the Start menu | All Programs and locate Dragon NaturallySpeaking. In the drop-down list there is an option for "Show Dragon Log". Once you have the Windows Explorer dialog open with the Dragon.log file highlighted, press and hold the right mouse button and drag and drop that file onto your desktop selecting Copy, not Move. Once it's on your desktop click on the filename and rename it to Dragon.txt. Then attach it to your response.

Regardless, please be specific in terms of which microphone you're referring to and having this problem with.

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I think I already know the answer to this but if I created my original user profile with the Sennheiser MD 431 II and I purchased an Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW, would I just use my original user profile and do the mike check to get things "up and running" with the Audio-Technica, without having to create a new user profile?

 

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I think I already know the answer to this but if I created my original user profile with the Sennheiser MD 431 II and I purchased an Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW, would I just use my original user profile and do the mike check to get things "up and running" with the Audio-Technica, without having to create a new user profile?

Alan,

Just to be absolutely clear, as long created your Sennheiser MD431 II using the Andrea PureAudio USB-SA USB SoundPod, you should be able to simply exchange microphones. That is, unplugging the Sennheiser MD431 II and plugging in the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW and rerunning the Audio Setup Wizard (Check microphone...-DNS 11), you should have no problems with that user profile.

The only caveat is that you need to remember that the Sennheiser MD431 II is more accurate than the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW. Therefore, you might experience some minor recognition issues until the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW catches up. On the other hand, you may experience no difference at all.

Technically it shouldn't make any difference, but I've seen some differences when switching between various microphones when a user profile is set up using a USB SoundPod.

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I actually used the Andrea 1/2 duplex USB SoundPod to create the original user file. So, any changes in your recommendation based upon that fact?

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I actually used the Andrea 1/2 duplex USB SoundPod to create the original user file. So, any changes in your recommendation based upon that fact?


Alan,

No, setting up user profile using a USB SoundPod doesn't change my recommendation or my explanation. USB SoundPod is a USB SoundPod, is a USB SoundPod as far as swapping microphones is concerned as long as the USB SoundPod is of the quality for those that we generally recommend. Therefore, if you're using a VXI USB SoundPod, Andrea PureAudio USB-SA SoundPod, a Buddy USB 6G, or and Andrea half duplex USB SoundPod, it doesn't matter. In fact, it generally won't make any difference even though I have found that some cheapo USB SoundPods are not as good as the ones that are recommended on this forum.

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is there a preferred USB pod for the ATP? I will need something that can be used with a softer voice as I might have to dictate at night without waking up someone in the room adjacent to my work setup.

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From an accuracy point of view, all USB Pods are currently equal but you would need the 1 with the hottest input in order to get away with speaking softly. It's almost a three-way tie between the Buddy 6G USB Pod, PureAudio USB-SA Pod (2nd generation) and the ANC USB Pod USB soundcards but we believe that the ANC USB soundcard has a slight edge over the other USB soundcards so it would be our 1st recommendation. It's also the least expensive model.

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 I'm glad I found this forum -- I'm hopeful that someone who has used the Audio Technica pro 8hemw can answer a question for me: Would you expect to have to set the audio input levels on your computer to 100 (all the way up) in order to get enough volume out of the microphone for accurate dictation in Dragon?

 I've tried recording myself with the microphone. I'm finding that the volume on the recordings comes out suprisingly low, even with levels/gain all the way up, and I'm wondering if that's just the nature of the microphone. Seemed odd to me, although accuracy is good as long as levels/gain are all the way up. I've tried running the microphone through both a half-duplex Andrea USB pod, and directly through line-in on two different computers. Doesn't seem to make a difference with respect to input volume. In contrast, when I use a cheapo microphone through the Andrea pod with levels/gain set all the way up, recordings come out much louder (so loud there is distortion, etc.).

 Any thoughts on whether my experience is normal?

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The Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW microphone (w/KB PLUS PACK) probably won't work on a number of soundcards because it has a slightly lower than normal output but we don't recommend using speech recognition microphones with integrated soundcards. Our favorite USB soundcard, for use with the Pro 8HEmW, is the ANC USB Pod which is hotter than other USB soundcards and integrated soundcards.

Although your Pro 8HEmW performance may be acceptable, it is probably short on headroom meaning that if you speak a little softer, the Pro 8HEmW may not even pick up your voice or drop a few words, in your existing configuration. If the blue bar is all the way up to the top of scale, when performing the Microphone Check, it's not getting quite enough juice.


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 Thank you, Lunis. Since I was still getting inadequate volume on the microphone check (blue bar all the way to the top) even when using the AT pro with the Andrea 1/2 duplex pod as you recommend, I assumed there must be a problem in my equipment somewhere. As it turns out, I was getting loud electrical interference though the Andrea pod from both my computer and phones, depending on where the pod was positioned on my desk. But even after eliminating that, Dragon still wants to set the microphone volume to max when I use the AT pro with the Andrea 1/2 duplex pod. 

Does this imply that there is a problem with my sound pod?

 I should add that when I listen to the playback from Dragon's audio quality check of the AT pro + 1/2 duplex pod, I hear a lot of white noise in the background. This seems to be distinct from the electrical interference I was getting; and I get the white noise (but not the electrical interference) with my other headset as well, an Andrea 181 w/ pure audio pod built in. The level of white noise on both microphone setups seems to be consistent across two different computers. The white noise doesn't seem to be a serious issue with the 181, though, because the microphone levels can be set relatively low. At microphone levels in the 20-40 range, the white noise is only barely audible. However, because I need to set the microphone levels up near 100 with the AT pro, the white noise becomes a much bigger problem.

Other than trying a new soundpod, my next thought was to try the P-100 adapter I see recommended on this forum. It sounds like that adapter might help a bit by increasing the signal of the AT pro and thus letting me lower the mic input level. If anyone can suggest additional options to increase signal and/or decrease white noise, I'd appreciate the advice.  

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                        Welcome to the World’s Most Popular Speech Recognition Forum

Sorry about the belated welcome

If you're hearing white noise, it's more likely interference and less likely a problem with your sound card. Would it be possible for you to move your computer to a different location or even try a different computer? 1 of our customers recently mentioned a similar problem and switched to the 2nd generation
PureAudio USB-SA Pod but we still suspect the real problem was interference.


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Thank you again, Lunis -- for the welcome and all the help. I followed your advice, and tested white noise around the house when using the 1/2 duplex pod + AT Pro headphones combination. Data below. But first, one perhaps important question for you:

 If I record through Stereo Mix, should I hear white noise? (I do...)

 

Here is data from the testing you suggested, and if you have any thoughts I'd greatly appreciate the advice:

 - The white noise does not vary noticeably in any way when I move from room to room. (I checked by recording in Sound Recorder.)

- The white noise stays the same whether I record with the AT Pro headphone plugged into the 1/2 duplex pod, or if I unplug the headphones but leave the pod plugged into the computer. (Suggests the headphones are good...)

- I also get white noise if I record through Stereo Mix. It's highly audible, and would definitely be a problem, though recording through the 1/2 duplex pod is worse (white noise is a little louder, and sounds a bit 'cracklier' by comparison). I'm not clear on whether this is normal, or suggests a problem with my computer... ?

- White noise does not seem to vary by computer.

- White noise does not seem to vary by USB port on either computer; and having the power plugged in or unplugged also seems to make no difference on either computer.

- The white noise does seem to vary between the Andrea 1/2 duplex pod and a PureAudio pod. But this test is an imperfect one: my 1/2 duplex pod is a standalone unit; my PureAudio pod is built into a set of Andrea headphones.

 (And for what it's worth, I can pick up an electrical buzzing noise in recordings through the 1/2 duplex pod by moving my phone base close it; this does not happen with the PureAudio pod. So your customer's experience seems to match mine, there.)

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Can you explain what you mean by “Stereo Mix”?

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Probably the best I can explain "Stereo Mix" is to explain what I did: I'm running Windows 7. I went to Control Panel, and opened Sound. I clicked the Recording tab, to show my recording devices. Listed there are my laptop's built-in microphone, my USB microphone, and "Stereo Mix". The icon for Stereo Mix looks like a circuit board. I set that as the default recording device, and then started recording through Sound Recorder (the built-in Windows software).

In practical terms, I know that recording through Stereo Mix means I can record whatever is being output through my computer's sound card (in this case, a Realtek card). For example, I could play music and, if I recorded through Stereo Mix, I could create a recorded copy of the music (it would be an actual recording of the sound output, rather than a copy of the music file).

I don't have a real understanding of what Stereo Mix is, though, so I don't have a good sense of whether there could be a relationship between hearing white noise through Stereo Mix, and hearing white noise through my USB microphone.

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The stereo mix setting is for your Realtek integrated soundcard which should only apply to playback through your speakers. As far as speech recognition is concerned, you're bypassing the Realtek with the ANC 1\2 duplex USB soundcard so this shouldn't be an issue. However, don't run any effects on your USB soundcard. Leave everything at the default settings.

Also note that unless you run a patch cord from your speaker output, to the ANC 1\2 duplex USB soundcard, it should be completely immune to any noise because it is strictly sound input only. If you're hearing white noise, which we are guessing is your term for “Static” you have another problem which could be the microphone or some form of interference. Do you, by any chance, have NaturallySpeaking installed on another computer? It would help to isolate the problem being associated with the sound system, your computer or your environment.


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Hi Lunis, thanks for sticking with me through this. A couple things to clarify:

  • When I say I'm "hearing white noise", I mean that I'm hearing it in recordings made through the AT Pro + Andrea 1/2 duplex pod. I've listened to recordings made with both Windows Sound Recorder, and during the Dragon audio check. 
  • By "white noise", I do mean something that sounds much like radio static, though not quite so 'crackly'. It's more of a steady, toneless hiss -- something like hearing the ocean at a distance.

You asked about trying Dragon on another computer: I did that a moment ago, and all the issues mentioned previously are consistent across multiple computers -- during audio check, Dragon sets the microphone volume all the way up; and when I play back the quality check recording, there is a steady background static/hiss/white noise. I do pass the quality check, but the audio check graph shows a lot of yellow; and accuracy while using Dragon is clearly suffering.

If I look at the DragonBar, where it shows input levels while dictating (with the yellow coloring for noise, green coloring for acceptable input, and red for input that's too loud), the meter is constantly showing about 15% full with yellow when I'm not making any sound. It's not from me breathing into the microphone, because the level of static/hiss/white noise stays constant even if I take the microphone off, and even if I unplug my microphone from the sound pod (but leave the pod plugged into my computer).

I thought my sound pod might be bad, but I've tried another 1/2 duplex pod now, and get exactly the same results. And the white noise is constant across three computers, and across all locations in my home. My last thought is that my whole house is being bombarded by EMFs, and that's generating static in the pod. I'm planning to travel over the weekend, and will test this possibility.

So, I think that leaves me with three questions for you, if you don't mind:

  • Are there other things I should be testing? I seem to have eliminated issues due to a particular computer, USB port, microphone, bad pod, location in home, Dragon installation, drivers (I tested an XP machine, Vista, and W7)...
  • Assuming the static is from being bombarded by EMFs, is there anything I can do to reduce the static -- are certain pods less susceptible than others?
  • Even if the static problem can be fixed somehow, Dragon is still setting volume to 100 with the AT Pro, and it sounds like that's a potentially separate issue -- are there good (speech-recognition-friendly) ways to boost my microphone signal?

 By the way, I don't see a way to move my posts, but they aren't all that specific to the AT Pro thread any longer -- are you able to move them to a separate thread?

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If you're playing back your recording through your USB soundcard, make sure that you play it back at a high fidelity level. 8-bit recordings will sound hissy on their own because they are 8-bit.

We can't think of anything else you could try and if you are correct about the EMF, about all you can do is wrap your USB soundcard in aluminum foil and pray. The aluminum foil approach is also good for preventing alien abductions.

15% yellow is probably about normal because the ANC 1\2 duplex USB soundcard does show more yellow than other soundcards. However, from an accuracy point of view, it is equal to the other cards with lower noise floors like the PureAudio.

We are only able to move the entire thread but we believe it fits comfortably into this microphone/soundcard forum.


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hello folks.

I have just got my AT PRO that I want to test with my Samsung Series 3 internal sound card. I only have 1 input that has both mic/headphones icons on it.

But I can't seem to be able to use the microphone as an input. The jack works perfectly has an output with headphones.

in my recording devices I see the realtek HD audio microphone but it's only picking up sound from the internal mic in the laptop.

 

I have to add that I also tried with a mono to stereo adapter.

Any help is appreciated.

 edit: never mind i did figure out I have a combo jack and i need a 4 prong adapter to make it work.



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You may be able to get the Pro 8HEmW to work with your integrated soundcard but we don't recommend the use of any integrated soundcards with DNS and Realtek is the worst of the lot. More often than not, Realtek soundcards fail to work properly with NaturallySpeaking and in many cases, NaturallySpeaking cannot even find the soundcard. That's why we recommend adding an ANC USB Pod external USB soundcard.

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So I have managed to use the microphone with my fire face RME sound card and the results are really great, great accuracy and higher speed. Now the only problem I have is that I want to set up Dragon to whisper or use a soft voice. So might gain in my sound card input is turned up all the way to 60 dB. So the microphone is supersensitive, the idle input level is at -50 DB, when I breathe with my nose it goes up to -40 dB, and some louder noises make it spiked to -30 dB/-25 dB and it causes Dragon to trigger or "him him him". I am attaching my audio Wizard results. Do you guys think that I would have more or less the same problem using the Andrea since I have to turn up the gain to whisper? What do you guys think of the results they are very close to what's posted in the review.

Mainly the problems I am having are when browsing with Internet Explorer.



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So I have managed to use the microphone with my fire face RME sound card and the results are really great, great accuracy and higher speed. Now the only problem I have is that I want to set up Dragon to whisper or use a soft voice. So might gain in my sound card input is turned up all the way to 60 dB. So the microphone is supersensitive, the idle input level is at -50 DB, when I breathe with my nose it goes up to -40 dB, and some louder noises make it spiked to -30 dB/-25 dB and it causes Dragon to trigger or "him him him". I am attaching my audio Wizard results. Do you guys think that I would have more or less the same problem using the Andrea since I have to turn up the gain to whisper? What do you guys think of the results they are very close to what's posted in the review.

Mainly the problems I am having are when browsing with Internet Explorer.

xxtraloud,

First, you have an excellent professional soundcard, which I suspect may work very well with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. However, you can't beat Dragon over the head by altering the gain because, as you note, you run into certain problems relative to "him him him". Question I have is how is it connected? Are you using the USB interface on your RME soundcard? If not, you should.

Second, when you run the Audio Setup Wizard (Check Microphone), make sure that you adjusts the volume and run the quality check at your normal speech volume. After that, you should be able to place the microphone element closer to your mouth and whisper and Dragon should recognize what you say quite accurately. This is the way that court reporters are taught how to use DNS.

Third, while the quality check screen capture that you posted looks just fine, it really doesn't tell us very much. It would be more helpful if you attached your audio.wav file, which Dragon records in the \current\voice_container folder of your user profile. That would provide more information that would be useful in helping you with this issue.

As regards problems browsing with Internet Explorer, what you posted is like calling up your auto mechanic and saying my car won't start. What problems, specifically and in detail ???

The bottom line is that you're using a very sophisticated soundcard interface which requires extra effort to fine tune it to Dragon. However, if you overwhelm Dragon by increasing the gain, you have to remember that amplification amplifies everything that the microphone element hears. Amplification doesn't just amplify your speech, it amplifies everything that comes into the microphone element, including external and background noise. I'm not surprised that you're getting the results (him him him) by doing what you are doing. tune it for Dragon and let Dragon take care of itself.

Lastly, part of the problems that you seem to be experiencing may be related to the fact that you're only using 2 GB of RAM. Very often that will cause Dragon to disable some of the command features (e.g., Natural Language Commands, multiple list XYZ commands, etc.). You need to make sure that the Natural Language Commands for Microsoft Word or turned on (checked/enabled), as well as for Microsoft Excel etc. You can disable the WordPerfect Natural Language Commands unless you're using WordPerfect. Nevertheless, keep in mind that with 2 GB of RAM you're running Dragon with minimal resources. DNS 11 eats up a lot of resources in Windows 7, regardless of whether you're using 32-bit or 64-bit.

Also, make sure that you are loading Dragon before you load any Microsoft Office applications. If you don't, you can run into the problem that the NatSpeak Word Addin, NatSpeak Excel Addin, or the NatSpeak Outlook Addin may not engage. Under those conditions, you'll have problems dictating into any of those applications. Nuance claims that you don't have to do this, but experience with DNS 11-11.5 with my clients and other end-users does not support that claim. So, don't bank on it. Load Dragon first.

While the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW will generally handle noise canceling very well, if you jack up the gain, noise canceling won't work very well on any microphone, which is what you seem to be experiencing.

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Agree Amin but if someone doesn't want to spend big bucks but wants some gain, the ART Tube MP Studio Mic Preamp goes for 30 bucks and works quite well with an existing Andrea sound pod. Of course you need a cable.

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I have the audio technnica microphone and the second-generation Andrea pure audio soundcard. As long as you use the P100 converter you will be able to speak very quietly and get a good level of recognition accuracy. In fact right now I am dictating at a whisper with the TV blaring very close and I am getting fantastic accuracy. But in order to successfully dictate softly you really do have to experiment with the microphone positioning to get it done just right.
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I've been having similar problems with the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW. Thanks for the info. I wish I had not tossed my p100 long ago. Never thought I would need it after I ditched my parrot mic about 6 years ago.

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With the P100 converter and having the microphone positioned exactly correctly it seems to work very very well. If it were as comfortable as my boom O it would be my favorite. As it stands now it's a tossup between the two. Although, I have to agree with the general consensus that the AT headset offers better accuracy and better noise cancellation however, it is not that much better than the boom O. It does seem to me like the differences are noticeable



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Can the audio-technica pro 8hemw fit be adjusted at all? The headband is so tight as to be physically quite uncomfortable; I'd rather not take a pair of pliers to it and try to bend it out a bit.

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The Pro 8HEmW can easily be bent into a wider position but we don't recommend pliers because that approach could potentially create a sharp edge. We recommend using clenching both fists around the sides of the microphone and using your thumbs to bend the sides outward. The unit is solid steel but should be reasonably flexible.



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Since the ATH COM1 and ATH COM2 use the same microphone element, I think it's ok that I give my input here now after having this (COM2) for several days.



I am *still* experimenting with it and cannot overemphasize how EXTREMELY important microphone placement is. In fact only a 1/2 inch or so can make a very huge difference in perceived sound quality. I was looking at several images now (not too many on the net) about correct placement, there are those screen shots from the Knowbrainer review where the mic is basically DOWN AT THE CHIN and another video review where someone has the mic 3+ something inches away from their face. So or so, the microphone is very prone to "pops" and "exploding" if you directly speak towards it. I think it is a good idea to place it REALLY about *a good inch* to the side or possibly more "down to the chin" as suggested in some of the pics I see. (Sound will significantly be "flatter" but I think it will increase accuracy).


Soundcards:


As for "normal" sound cards, tested on Soundblaster Audigy 2 as well as on some ADI chip internal sound. Since almost ALL sound cards today have +20db or +30db mic boost it is not a problem to make the microphone "louder" although it's of course not as loud as an electret microphone. (Here again, this is NOT necessary a criterion for accuracy)


The "problem" here is really more that Soundcards, no matter WHAT flavor, no matter whether internal, USB etc. all introduce noise, and especially the mic boost option will always also introduce some noise...which COULD affect accuracy.



The reason why Buddy etc. "sound pods" are "better" (IN MY OPINION) is not the fact that they are external USB sound cards but more the fact that those have noise cancellation algorithms built in their DSP, this is what sets them apart from any solution using conventional sound cards. (In my case, I do the entire thing via Software. But as said above, I think now that PLACEMENT is really the most important factor, and then of course dictation style etc.)



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Personally I find the best placement for the audio technica microphones to be as close as possible to the corner of the mouth without touching the month. Of course some of that probably depends on the volume of your voice and other factors.
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I have pinched nerves in my arm an hand and used two pliers. If you have good tactile feedback you should be OK but don't use anymore force than necessary to expand the steel band or you could likely crimp it and it would then be very uncomfortable.

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I have decided to buy AT Pro8HEX, since it's impossible to find Pro8HEmW in my country. My main concern is type of soundcard - is it better to get USB or standard soundcard, and which brand and/or model? Any other suggestion is more than welcomed.

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USB for sure. Probably the most cost effective is the Andrea Pure Audio but DO NOT load the special Audio Commander drivers just go with the standard Windows drivers.
The Buddy 7g would work but there seem to still be some defective ones in the sales channel so i would probably pass right now.

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Quote: "I have decided to buy AT Pro8HEX, since it's impossible to find Pro8HEmW in my country. My main concern is type of soundcard - is it better to get USB or standard soundcard, and which brand and/or model? Any other suggestion is more than welcomed. "

Some other alternatives for a USB audio interface to use with the AT PRO8HEx (XLR terminated microphone) worth considering are the SHURE X2u and the CEntrance MicroPort Pro. If you go with the CEntrance MicroPort Pro, do NOT install the optional drivers.

Happy dictating,

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Thank you phils and TCXO,

but there are a couple of problems.

- Andrea Pure Audio is not available in my country

- SHURE X2u is too expensive for me. For instance, headset is $110, and this would be almost $200

- CEntrance MicroPort Pro; I could not find this one in my country, but it would also be too expensive

So, i can get one of these:

http://www.roland.com/products/en/UM-ONE_mk2/

http://www.asus.com/Sound_Cards_and_DigitaltoAnalog_Converters/Xonar_U3/

I guess Roland is better choice? It's around $50.


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As far as I can tell the Roland Um-one Mk2 uses a MIDI connectors so I don't think it will be directly compatible with the XLR terminal of the AT PRO8 HEx.

The Asus Xonar U3 looks interesting; it looks like it might work but I really do not know that for a fact; I am not familiar with it. If you try the Xonar U3 and find it not compatible with DNS, make sure you can return it; sometimes there can be sound pod driver issues that may not work with DNS.  If the Xonar U3 works (or does not work) with DNS, please let us know.  Just stating the obvious, but you will also need the appropriate XLR-to-3.5mm cable as well.

If you have not done so already, I would suggest contacting some of the European speech recognition vendors to see what they have to offer.

Wishing you success in finding a microphone & USB sound pod that meets your needs.
Sincerely,
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Lunis,

As I am shallow and always want the latest, how does this *HEmW differ from the previous Audio-Technica (can't fine the name of it) one that I purchased from you several months ago? It is the most accurate wired headset I have ever had.

I know Chucker will say if it ain't broke don't fix it, but he is normal, I am not.

I save my paper route money so I can stay on the edge. And remember, other than VoiceComputer (which I can't recommend more highly) I buy all things voice recognition from you.

Thanks,

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Originally posted by: Trionalaw

 

  how does this *HEmW differ from the previous Audio-Technica (can't fine the name of it) one that I purchased from you several months ago?

 

Jim

 

Jim, Audio-Technica offers this microphone with a variety of connectors plus two models with headphones. The three models without headphones are all listed on the website as having the same microphone bbut with different connectors. As far as any of us can tell, from both looking at the details on the Audio-Technica international websites as well as comparing the models we own, the various models all seem to have the same microphone element.

there has been speculation that the headphone models mistakenly included hypercardioid microphone by mistake.

 

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Thank you, Phil,

 

I guess I will just save my paper route money for a while.

 

Much appreciated,

 

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Although there are still differing opinions (from the manufacturer no less) about which microphone capsules are included with which microphone, from what we can see, the Pro 8HEmW features the same microphone capsule as the  ATH-COM1 and ATH-COM2 consumer models. This was also verified by the manufacturing plant in Japan. What basically makes the ATH-COM1/2 consumer models is the plastic gooseneck and consumer grade construction. If you own any of these 3 microphones, we do not recommend replacing them. The only reason we recently stopped using the Pro 8HEmW is because the SpeechWare FlexyMike DE (dual ear headset) microphone is far more comfortable. The accuracy is about the same but the Pro 8HEmW has better noise filtering in extreme noise environments.



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Lunis,

 

Your honesty cost you a sale for this headset. But of course, that is one of the reasons you have such a loyal following. No spin in your zone.

 

Thanks so much.

 

Jim

 

 



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Update on my problem. :-)

After considering all of the alternatives, I think this would be my best choice:

- AT Pro8HEX and,
- http://www.roland.com/products/en/DUO-CAPTURE_mk2/  

I guess this soundcard is overkill, but I couldn't find anything cheaper in my country, except: http://www.asus.com/Sound_Cards_and_DigitaltoAnalog_Converters/Xonar_U3/, which is not that cheaper than Roland.
Please have in mind that availability of various products in my country is extremely limited, and I know I could get those products via Internet or some other way, but then I could face some problems considering warranty, which could bring a lot more expenses... Sending product back and forth through customs again and again is something I want to avoid. Been there, done that, it's ugly... I envy people living in Western Europe and North America.

By the way, I asked about connecting problems and guys at the store told me all I need are 2 more adapters/cables in order to be able to connect everything properly to my PC.



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