DNS 10.1 pro is now on the DNS website (sign in is http://www.nuance.com/vista/naturallyspeaking/Dragon10.1/form.asp?L=English).

Submitting the form sends an email with a download link, which is now in process.

The download file (DragonPro10.1ENX_112.exe) is ~1350MB.

 I'll install it on xp64 and post my first impressions as soon as possible.

Great!  Downloading now -- thanks for the heads up!

I have downloaded and installed the upgrade to 10.1, and except for a few cosmetic changes, it does not appear to be much different than SR-1.

Perhaps the differences are in the details. There was one change that I was hoping for, but was not implemented: browsing commands for Internet Explorer (e.g., "image," "link," "box," and so on) still do not work in Firefox. However, as in SR-1, the ability to browse by voice in Firefox 3.x is improved. But without the aforementioned commands, Internet Explorer is still the place to be when voice browsing.

Just downloaded DNS 10.1 Pro and installed it on my Vista 64 bit system (8 gig).  It installed to the Programs(x86) directory however.  If this is a 64 bit application, I would have thought it would have installed to the Programs directory and not the Programs(x86) directory.

 

It is fast however.

And as I have not had it on my system, I just cranked up DNS and repeated the above paragraph and did not make any corrections (see below)

Bob

I just downloaded DNS 10.1 Pro and installed it on my Vista 64-bit system (8 gig). It installed to the programs (x86) directory however. If this is a 64-bit application, I would have thought it would have installed to the programs directory and not the programs (x86) directory.

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Bob Wagner

Bob, DNS 10.1 is (largely) a 32-bit program that, like its predecessor, thankfully now works in a 64-bit operating system.  From the Nuance blog, 

"For those wondering, the Dragon NaturallySpeaking UI automation server does indeed run in 64-bit mode.  However, the Dragon NaturallySpeaking application itself—natspeak.exe still runs in 32-bit mode. The latter is the bulk of the system, which is running on my computer at 285 MB of memory right now. The former is using about 4 MB of memory.

When I'm speaking, it's the main application (the 32-bit app) that's actually processing my speech and running the transcription process. during transcription I find that will jump up to usually no more than 400 MB of memory."

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Just downloaded DNS 10.1 Pro and installed it on my Vista 64 bit system (8 gig). It installed to the Programs(x86) directory however. If this is a 64 bit application, I would have thought it would have installed to the Programs directory and not the Programs(x86) directory.

Alan, Bob, & John,

First, it isn't necessary to make the bulk of the program files 64-bit versions. Since DNS is loaded into memory and processes what is fed to it in exactly the same way on the 64-bit operating system as it does on 32 bit operating system, it just isn't necessary. The other reason for this is that these files are OS independent. That is they don't require 64-bit versions in order to function properly completely independent of the operating system version.

Second, and this is for Bob, the Main reason why DNS 10.1 64-bit installs in the Programs(x86) folder is because it is both 32-bit and 64-bit compliant. I'll answer your question with a question: Why go through all of the extra time and effort risking install problems and introducing bug issues by creating a complicated and complex InstallShield installer for DNS 10.1 64-bit data has to not only distinguish between which version of the operating system is installed but put all the files in different folders? One install for both 32-bit and 64-bit, both Windows XP and Windows Vista is all that is necessary. Who cares where the files are installed? It isn't necessary for Windows 64-bit logo certification, and it doesn't matter whether installed.

On the other hand, John is right. They are basically 32-bit files. However, because they are OS independent, referring to them as 32-bit files is really a non sequitur. The only thing that these files have to do, when necessary, is access 64-bit applications and 64-bit memory addressing. This is all done through the Dragon NaturallySpeaking UI Automation Server (dgnuiasvr_x64.exe). That server handles everything necessary for DNS to be compatible with 64-bit applications and memory. Nuff said. No need to any further or any deeper unless you've got hip boots on.

Lastly, the only difference between the 32-bit and 64-bit installs are as follows:

64-bit

Visual C++ 8.0 for Dragon NaturallySpeaking 64-bit

Dragon NaturallySpeaking UI Automation Server (dgnuiasvr_x64.exe)

32-bit

Visual C++ 8.0 for Dragon NaturallySpeaking 32-bit

Dragon NaturallySpeaking UI Automation Server (dgnuiasvr.exe)

The above apply to Windows Vista 32-bit and 64-bit and Windows XP 64-bit respectively. Windows XP does not require any Automation Server and none is installed. I've installed it on all of them just to test and check whether 10.1 64-bit will work on all OSs.

There is, however, one problem with the DNS 10.1 64-bit Professional version. Read my post at:

http://www.knowbrainer.com/PubForum/index.cfm?page=viewForumTopic&topicId=7474&listFull#8747D689-CCD8-8EFC-8614A9E9B0ED8EA2thread34574

Chuck Runquist
Owner, GEMCCON - The Choice of Intelligence
Speech Recognition Consulting and Training

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain

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For folks who successfully requested an e-mail link, how long did it take for the e-mail from Nuance to arrive?

I entered my serial number through the form early this afternoon and, although the site said that it would send e-mail me a link and download instructins, I've seen nothing.

 Is a delay of several hours normal? If so, I'll hold on. (I have checked my spam filter and nothing showed up there, and I do receive other e-mails from Nuance from time to time...)

 

Andy.

 

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DNS 12 Professional with KB 2012, VoiceComputer 12, and Samson Airline 77.  

Running on Maingear Shift Desktop: Intel Core i7 3930K (Sandy Bridge-E) overclocked to 4.2G5Hz, with 256KB X 6 L2 and 12MB L3 Cache; ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard, 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 Memory;  2 X Nvidia Geoforce GTX-580 display adapters; 8 X Samsung 830 SSDs arrayed as 512GB R0 (OS) and 713GB R10 (DATA).

Andy,

I received the e-mail within one or two minutes.  I would try again.  It doesn't hurt.  It's possible that the server was down or inaccessible when you sent your original request, which resulted in your submission ending up somewhere in East Gebip never to be seen again.

Regardless, it shouldn't take more than two or three minutes depending upon server traffic.

Chuck Runquist
GEMCCON - The Choice of Intelligence
Speech Recognition Consulting and Training

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Thank you, Chuck -- the second time did the trick. I'm now up with Vista 64-bit and about the upgraded to 8 GB RAM; so far, the transition is going smoothly.

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DNS 12 Professional with KB 2012, VoiceComputer 12, and Samson Airline 77.  

Running on Maingear Shift Desktop: Intel Core i7 3930K (Sandy Bridge-E) overclocked to 4.2G5Hz, with 256KB X 6 L2 and 12MB L3 Cache; ASUS Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard, 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 Memory;  2 X Nvidia Geoforce GTX-580 display adapters; 8 X Samsung 830 SSDs arrayed as 512GB R0 (OS) and 713GB R10 (DATA).

I went to the link.  This is for Vista 64 only, correct?

Those of us in Vista 32 should stay with just the service pack 1?

NaturallySpeaking 10.1 works great in both Windows XP and Vista 32-bit and 64-bit formats. Ver. 10.1 is basically the same as Ver. 10 SP1 except that it consolidates the patch, includes support for Internet Explorer 8 and adds 64-bit support.

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Andrew,

Just a couple of points FYI:

1.  I know that overclocking is fairly common practice these days.  However, I have to friends who are Intel engineers.  When I spoke with them years ago about overclocking, they gave me a warning that I will pass on to you.  That warning is simply this: Overclocking automatically voids your warranty on Intel CPUs.  They said essentially that any user that thinks that returning a burnt out CPU (Intel) that was due to overclocking will get them a new one under warranty, they're sadly mistaken.  Intel engineers have the capability and the wherewithal to determine what caused the failure and they know if such failures are caused by overclocking.  So, overclock at your own risk.

2.  If you're going to overclock your CPU, make sure that you stay within the motherboard specifications and don't try to for the absolute max without being absolutely sure that you have adequate cooling.  If you don't, you're headed for disaster.  In general, overclocking even under the best of circumstances reduces the lifespan of the CPU by almost 1/2.

3.  The performance (speed) of DNS is not significantly enhanced by overclocking.  The factors that improve performance are the L2 cache, which you have a good amount of, and the FSB (Front Side Bus) speed.  It's not how fast your CPU runs it is how fast it can transfer information back and forth between the CPU registers, the L2 cache, and RAM.  The maximum speed of your RAM is based on your FSB (Front Side Bus) as well as the speed of the RAM chips that you have installed.  Therefore, you can have a CPU running at 4 GHz (overclocked) and in FSB (Front Side Bus) of 800 MHz with PC 6400 DDR2 RAM and the fact that you're running your CPU at 4 GHz won't improve the performance of DNS.  On the other hand, if you're running DDR3 RAM chips and your FSB (Front Side Bus) is 1333 MHz and your memory can make use of this FSB (Front Side Bus) speed, then you will see better performance with DNS.  Nevertheless it's your RAM, L2 cache and FSB (Front Side Bus) that increase the performance, not your CPU speed.  The speed of the CPU only enhances the speed at which instructions can be processed, not the speed at which they can be transferred to and from RAM, which is where DNS works primarily.

Not criticizing you because I have one system that is overclocked for testing purposes.  However, it doesn't improve the performance of DNS whether that system is running at the design speed of 3.2 GHz or overclocked to 4 GHz.  DNS performed exactly the same before overclocking and afterwards.  Just giving you a heads up (food for thought).

Chuck Runquist
Owner, GEMCCON – The Choice of Intelligence
Speech Recognition Consulting and Training

Education is when you read the fine print. Experience is what you get if you don't. - Pete Seeger

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