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Topic Title: Homographs (words spelled the same but pronounced differently)
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Created On: 04/01/2020 03:28 AM
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 Homographs (words spelled the same but pronounced differently)   - Grandslam - 04/01/2020 03:28 AM  
 Homographs (words spelt the same but pronounced differently)   - Stephan Kuepper - 04/01/2020 04:28 AM  
 Homographs (words spelt the same but pronounced differently)   - Grandslam - 04/01/2020 04:40 AM  
 Homographs (words spelt the same but pronounced differently)   - Stephan Kuepper - 04/01/2020 08:18 AM  
 Homographs (words spelt the same but pronounced differently)   - PG LTU - 04/01/2020 11:29 AM  
 Homographs (words spelled the same but pronounced differently)   - Stephan Kuepper - 04/22/2020 04:15 AM  
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Grandslam
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Hi all,

Is there any way to add homographs to vocabulary? These are words which are spell the same but have variant pronunciations - e.g. bow (front of the ship) and bow (type of knot).

The one I am having problems with is second (deploy to another department or organisation - pronounced sec-ONd) and second (1/60 of one minute - pronounced sec-end).

Vocabulary has a single listing for "second" - is there any way to record variant pronunciations?

 

 



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Stephan Kuepper
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This is exactly what the spoken form is for in the vocabulary. You can enter the written form on the left-hand side and the spoken form on the right-hand side.

Go for something like "seck ond" in the spoken form.

The question is whether you need to do that at all, or whether you can simply pronounce the word as "second" – after all, the spelling is identical, even if the pronunciation isn't. So it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it, as long as Dragon gets the word right.

You may also train the words from within the Vocabulary Editor, but training has been known to have little or no effect on Dragon.

Hope that helps, Stephan



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 04/01/2020 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Stephan Kuepper This is exactly what the spoken form is for in the vocabulary. You can enter the written form on the left-hand side and the spoken form on the right-hand side. Go for something like "seck ond" in the spoken form. The question is whether you need to do that at all, or whether you can simply pronounce the word as "second" – after all, the spelling is identical, even if the pronunciation isn't. So it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it, as long as Dragon gets the word right. You may also train the words from within the Vocabulary Editor, but training has been known to have little or no effect on Dragon. Hope that helps, Stephan

Thanks Stephen. Only thing is, in this case there are 2 spoken forms (SecONd and SECend), but only one vocabulary entry. You can only have one spoken form for each word. Unless it will let me enter another entry for "second" with a different spoken form?

Same issue with training the word in Vocabulary Editor - because there are 2 pronunciations for the same word, you have the issue where you can only train one pronunciation.

I did consider just pronouncing the word as "second", however in this case the smart formatting rules will output "2nd", which I then need to correct. I realise this is probably the only homograph where this is an issue however, so maybe I just need to live with it.

 

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You can have as many spoken forms as you want for one word - but you are right, you need to create another entry. In fact, this is common practice, and has been discussed frequently on this forum - witness all the discussions about "period", "Katy with a Y" and so on. It's how I deal with my own first name - "Stephan with P H".

 

Remember the spoken form is what Dragon actually needs to recognize, and then transform it into whatever written form is appropriate. You don't say "two no-caps no-space N D" to produce "2nd", do you. The tricky thing is to differentiate between homophones, not homographs.

 

Homework for April Fool's day, create a vocabulary with all the spoken forms in the language and the identical written form "April Fool!" Doable, albeit senseless.



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I sorta disagree to a small extent that using klugey words like "seck ond" answer this fully. I'd prefer adding various phrases that have the word "second" used that way and then train the phrase. On the other hand, "Stephan with P H" and the like works because they are phrases and each word continues to be used in its proper lexicographic way. Also words that aren't in the vocab (I use "romanet" which is not a word until it is defined) so in that sense "seck ond" works but then you lose the semantic meaning of "second" used that alternative way.

Hey whatever works though,



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Carl, could you open a new thread for that question since is unrelated to the above thread.

Thank you, Stephan

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