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Topic Title: DPG 15.5 and Office 365
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Created On: 03/25/2020 12:55 AM
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 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Steve Morris - 03/25/2020 12:55 AM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/25/2020 10:35 AM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Steve Morris - 03/25/2020 05:08 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/25/2020 11:38 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - andy t - 03/28/2020 01:39 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Lunis Orcutt - 03/28/2020 02:10 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - andy t - 03/29/2020 09:53 AM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - KateM - 09/02/2020 11:26 AM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Lunis Orcutt - 09/02/2020 02:23 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - KateM - 09/03/2020 12:22 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - nerdfrastanz - 09/03/2020 09:07 AM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Gator5000e - 09/03/2020 01:11 PM  
 Choose 3DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Lunis Orcutt - 09/03/2020 02:27 PM  
 DPG 15.5 and Office 365   - Gator5000e - 09/04/2020 12:08 PM  
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Steve Morris
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Hi all, 

 

Is it true that Dragon 15.5 or any version for that matter, only supports dictation in Office 365?



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 03/25/2020 10:35 AM
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Ver. 15.4 introduced Office 365 (2019) support. Ver. 15.5 introduced significantly improved stability and a new Advanced-Scripting engine. If you are using DPI 15.3, the previously mentioned features will likely not become available until Ver. 16 is released.



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Thanks. I just cannot seem to find any official documentation on these questions. Like many people, we have increasing numbers working from home. We have just heard that they will be using Office 365 online and MS Teams. Our team has not had a chance to run DPG15.5, which we have, against these to provide meaningful advice.

Do you believe that support extends to the online 365 Office and MS Teams? Any advice is much appreciated.

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Rather than focusing on Dragon hype we prefer the slang phrase “Dragon friendly”. When we say Dragon friendly, we mean Active Accessibility and Select-&-Say.

 

Active Accessibility means that you can click on buttons and menus by voice. For example, if you wish to click the File menu, you can just say click <file>.

 

Select-&-Say is now called Full Text Control but we prefer the old school term. When you have Select-&-Say, Dragon knows where all of the words are in your document. For example, if you physically move your cursor to the end of a sentence that ends in a period, Dragon will not only get the spacing correct but will also start the next word with a capital letter. If you dictate “the brown fox jumped over the fence” you can say <select, delete, capitalize, italisize, underline or bold> <brown fox> to apply the appropriate formatting. You do not have to select the text with your mouse. You may be thinking that the only way you can tell is to test but that's not necessarily true. Just look for the green • in the DragonBar. If you see the green •, chances are you are in a Dragon friendly application such as Microsoft Word, Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Excel, DragonPad, Notepad, WordPad, Microsoft Edge (2nd generation with appropriate Dragon extension), Google Chrome, Firefox and if you dare... Internet Explorer. This might seem like a lot but most other browsers, applications and utilities are not Dragon friendly. A good example is Windows 10 Sticky Notes. When you create a Sticky Note, you may or may not be able to dictate but Dragon has no idea where the words are. Sticky Notes automatically capitalizes the 1st word but you will notice that your dictation looks more like a blazing fast typist. Dragon friendly applications buffer your dictation until you take a breath. At this point, Dragon will drop your dictation as if you were pasting from the Dragon buffer. When you dictate into non-Dragon friendly applications, you will see your dictation deposited one letter at a time. After you are spoiled by Microsoft Word, you will not be happy dictating into non-Dragon friendly environments and in many cases, Dragon will simply refuse to accept dictation. It would be a perfect world if we only worked with Dragon friendly apps but there are far more non-Dragon friendly apps than friendly apps. Enough with the rambling and back to your original question…

It is important to note that when you are attempting to dictate into a field, application etc. over a network or browser, Dragon has no idea what application you are attempting to dictate into so it will not be Dragon friendly but it's not that simple. For example, if you are attempting to dictate into the networked version of Microsoft Outlook, through Google Chrome, the network version of Outlook is not Dragon friendly but you will have limited Active Accessibility and Select-&-Say because Google Chrome is Dragon friendly. This is a bit of a gray area but nothing beats experience. You will be somewhat limited because many Dragon Outlook commands, which can only be utilized by a local installation of Office 365, will be unavailable on the network version. Clearly, whenever you have a choice between local and network anything, go with with a local installation. To make the matters even cloudier, some websites will be downright Dragon friendly, like this one, while others will not even permit dictation. There is also another fly in the ointment…


The DragonCapture (third party utility) was created to force Dragon to directly dictate everywhere with perfect capitalization and spacing. No matter what unfriendly Dragon application you run into, DragonCapture will force direct Dragon dictation but there's a fly in ointment here also. When you attempt to correct DragonCapture dictation, you are likely to wind up with improper spacing and capitalization because DragonCapture doesn't actually know where the words are. It just appears this way. That's where KnowBrainer 2017 (yet another third-party utility) comes into play. KnowBrainer includes pseudo-Select-&-Say so that in most applications, that use typical Microsoft conventions, you can verbally select, delete, italicize, bold, underline, delete and even capitalize words the same way you can in Microsoft Word. Even better, when you select incorrect/edit any phrase, KnowBrainer will automatically move the cursor to the end of the current paragraph. Is everything starting to look a little complicated right about now? Welcome to our world. You'll find 30 day trials, of various utilities, in our signature tag TRIAL DOWNLOADS link.


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So, Lunis, am I right to assume that DPG 15.5 will work perfectly with the local Office 2019 version not just the 365 option?

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 03/28/2020 02:10 PM
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Let's start off with the Office 2019/365 misnomer. Both are the same applications with the exception of Office 365 additional including the option of working in the cloud; which most end-users do not use. Office 365 applications are all 2019 and we suspect that you can't even purchase Office 2019 (local).

 

Ver. 15.4 was primarily released to introduce Office 365/2019 support. Ver. 15.5 was introduced primarily for stability reasons (which Nuance has been working on for many years) and changing out the dated SAX Basic scripting engine for WinWrap (which is included in KnowBrainer). As far as is end-users creating Advanced-Scripting commands, the end-user appearance is the same but WinWrap Basic is considerably faster and more bulletproof.

DPI 15.3 users will have to wait for Ver. 16.

Note that DMPE 15.5 and DPG 15.5 users are very happy with the stability issues because if you use Excel or Outlook, Dragon is probably freezing a half-dozen or so times a day.

 

 



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 03/29/2020 09:53 AM
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we suspect that you can't even purchase Office 2019 (local).


I just purchased a download copy from: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/recoil-IV-17/ 

where you scroll down to 'Office Software' and then from the drop-down arrow.

that is why I asked the question in the first place.  So, DPG 15.5 is totally compatible with Office 2019 (local).

That's good to know. 

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Hi Lunis, sorry if this sounds like a silly question - what do you mean "DPI15.3 users are going to have to wait until version 16"? Can we not just upgrade to e.g. 15.6? (instructions here https://voicepower.co.nz/dragon-professional-legal-nz-group-v15-6-update/)

Also - I have found some voodoo with outlook freezing....when I go into my windows sublist via the taskbar tray (e.g. shows various messages or email drafts in progress) - if I close a couple of those down via the taskbar view just by X-ing them out ...I seem to somehow regain functionality...super bizarre - but usually works to unfreeze things.

My issue has been more around "visual gunk" which renders my screen un-readable. parts of windows are blocked out, mistmatched and even trying to navigate or save out of this is whack-a-doodle.... examples of screencaps here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nTNES6x8PqQstchiDYWKKZrKYrVbcuZB?usp=sharing eventually the system becomes completely unusable and I can no longer navigate through it. This is why I have something like 1200 draft emails because I'm mid-stride doing work, and the apocalypse happens... So I have fragments of partially done work everywhere, because I cannot even conscientiously shut things down before having to power off (it's like navigating in a dark tunnel to find the light switches)



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 09/02/2020 02:23 PM
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You are confusing DPI with DPG. As you will see, the DPG 15.6 Upgrade is also available on our site but we would hate to see you spend $350 only because you need Ver. 15.6 and not necessarily the other featuresThese are 2 different animals. When this tread started, 5 months ago, this discussion was about the possible release of DPI 15.5. We believe Nuance was planning on releasing DPI 16 so they didn't intend to patch DPI 15.3. The COVID-19 changed all of that.  Because DPI 16 has been delayed for another year, Nuance has decided to release DPI 15.6 as a complimentary upgrade to DPI 15 users.  

Unfortunately, Outlook 2019 is not DPI 15 friendly. Your only other options would be to cut and paste from another application or purchase DPG 15.6. Hopefully, DPI 15.6 will be released any day now.



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Lunis, thank you (as always) for this helpful clarification and insight.



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Yeah it's never easyy with all these different versions and their compatebility...
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"Nuance has decided to release DPI 15.6 as a complimentary upgrade to DPI 15 users"

But this has not happened yet, correct? If DPI 15.6 has been released, where can I find it?

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If you reread our last post, it specifically states “DPI 15.6 is due to be released any day now” as in not yet released. We have a prerelease so we know it's coming but no one can or will ever be able to give you an ETA on any Dragon releases. We can only tell you the day it's released and Nuance doesn't usually inform their own reseller channel (that's us) until about a week after a new release. It's also unlikely you will find this information in your Dragon Check for Updates menu.   


Please DON'T email us for an ETA because we are daily deluged with this request. You will find your answer here faster. When DPI 15.6 is released, we will announce it here and include a download. We will also pin this announcement to the top of this Dragon forum for 8 weeks, to give everyone ample time to check back. 



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Great, and thank you for taking the time to reply.
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