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Topic Title: How should phrases be corrected when the right phrase is not one of those offered by DNS? Topic Summary: I've been following the procedure to correct phrases that are in error, but have consistently been experiencing unusual reactions Created On: 04/04/2012 02:29 PM Status: Post and Reply |
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- photoman | - 04/04/2012 02:29 PM |
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- ikslah | - 04/04/2012 02:43 PM |
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- GDS | - 04/04/2012 03:17 PM |
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- PG LTU | - 04/04/2012 05:16 PM |
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- photoman | - 04/05/2012 12:14 AM |
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- Lunis Orcutt | - 04/05/2012 01:49 AM |
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- JackyV | - 04/05/2012 08:41 PM |
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- Rag | - 04/05/2012 10:58 PM |
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- Lunis Orcutt | - 04/06/2012 12:52 PM |
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- Chucker | - 04/06/2012 03:54 AM |
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- PG LTU | - 04/06/2012 01:04 PM |
 04/04/2012 02:29 PM
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Hi, My situation involves correcting the phrase that DNS misunderstood. As an example, I might say: This majestic mountain was… And what was transcribed is: This magic mountain was… I then say "correct magic mountain" and in those situations where the correct phrase "majestic mountain" is not listed, I've tried a variety of things, none of which have worked. As far as what is displayed in the Spelling Window, it shows: the number of possible alternatives displayed within the Spelling Window, with the mentioned phrase that needs correction being highlighted and in the box above the first choice. At this point, I have typically dictated the phrase I want (in this case – majestic mountain) which I expect to then see displayed in the open box above choice one. What has happened every single time is that there is typically no correlation whatsoever between what I dictate and what is displayed in the box. So "majestic mountain" can display as "yi@ tea" or something equally as meaningless. For the situation I mentioned above, what should I be doing to teach DNS the actual phrase I want them to use? Thank you for your help. ------------------------- Photoman |
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04/04/2012 02:43 PM
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Is your spelling window open? You may not have checked that as an option. You then just type the correction in. If you use the prharse enough you can of course use the vocabulary editor to correct and train the phrase.
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04/04/2012 03:17 PM
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Photoman, You cannot dictate into the spelling window. The only commands Dragon understands in the spelling window are:
Aside from those commands, you can only spell into the spelling window. So if you're dictating "majestic mountain" into the spelling window, you can check your recognition history to see what Dragon is actually interpreting. My guess is Dragon is hearing "majestic mountain" as "press yankee india at-sign", hence "yi@." Hope this helps, ------------------------- Eric Wright At work: DNS 12 Pro. At home: DNS 11.5 Pro, KnowBrainer 2011, and Utter Command by RedStart Systems; Dragon Dictate 3 for Mac
Appetite for Dictation - My Blog |
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04/04/2012 05:16 PM
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More particularly, the correction technique you are trying to use -- which is a good one -- only works in the Correction Menu. You have probably checked the option to show the "Correct" commands bring up Spelling Window. Untick that as shown, and you will be able to correct the way you described.
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04/05/2012 12:14 AM
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PG,I am so excited! Thank you so much for that wonderfully simple solution that I never would've figured out in 300 lifetimes. I changed it by removing the check mark and it now works wonderfully. I wonder how many other little annoying issues I have been silently suffering with when it was simply a matter of check marks? Thanks to everybody for your help. ------------------------- Photoman |
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04/05/2012 01:49 AM
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1 of our favorite KnowBrainer 2011 commands is called Add to Vocabulary which we use to add common misrecognize words, that typically appear with another common word, to our vocabulary. Here's an example: We were never able to get NaturallySpeaking to properly produce the word “pod” and still can't. However, every time we dictate the word “pod” we always preface it with the word “USB”, which NaturallySpeaking has no problem recognizing. The solution was to add “USB Pod” (might as well capitalize the word “Pod” while we're at it) as a phrase to our vocabulary. In our opinion, this is 1 of NaturallySpeaking's most powerful features.
If you're not using KnowBrainer, NaturallySpeaking includes a command that is notably slower and only gets you halfway there but is still better than nothing. It is called make that a phrase. -------------------------
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04/05/2012 08:41 PM
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While you can't dictate into the spelling window, you can spell into the spelling window. So if you were to prefer having the Spelling Window over the Correction Menu (as I do), instead of trying to dictate the correct words, you would simply spell the correct words, like this: m a j e s t i c space bar m o u n t a i n ------------------------- Dell Inspiron M i15R, 2.93 GHz processor, 8 GB RAM, 750 GB serial ATA hard drive. |
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04/05/2012 10:58 PM
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Lunis, as a side topic from speech rec. Did you record anyone famous in your other life in recording???? We are in NZ, but still would like to hear from you around those days. What made you leave?? I couldnt imagine a better job?? R |
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04/06/2012 12:52 PM
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Being a songwriter is similar to other art forms in that as an artist, you are literally compelled to do it. To a degree we loved being in the music business but Nashville is full of talented starving musicians and we were no different. If you want to make a living as a performer and you sound like Gordon Lightfoot, you're much better off playing coffeehouses in Portsmouth New Hampshire and Boston. As a songwriter, you're competing against thousands of other highly qualified songwriters and as much as I loved doing it, my wife noticed that I was using speech recognition to control our recording studio in the early 90s. Speech recognition turned out to be the beginning of the end of my music career.
To make a long story short, she recommended that it might make more sense for us to go down the speech recognition path and create commands to assist the physically disabled. Thanks to DragonSystems (previous NaturallySpeaking owner), ViaVoice and Kurzweil turning down our original offer to donate 5000 commands to their speech recognition applications, we wound up going into business in spite of them because they were unwilling to make their speech recognition applications more user-friendly for those with physically disabled. Those companies literally gave us the incentive to build our company. Even though KnowBrainer 2011 is sold at a slight loss, it was definitely financially and emotionally my best career move. I count myself extremely lucky in this regard because I get to work for myself out of a log cabin on a ridge in the middle of the Tennessee woods. It would be perfect if the Big Haired Lady didn't keep sneaking into the office and playing that haunting dueling banjos wav file 
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04/06/2012 03:54 AM
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photoman, Here are a couple of additional tips. First, if Dragon misrecognizes a word and the word isn't in the Active Vocabulary (Vocabulary Editor), then no amount of correction and training in the Spelling Window is to recognize that word the next time you dictate it. Therefore, when Dragon misrecognizes a word, always check the Vocabulary Editor first to see whether or not the word is listed in the Active Vocabulary. If it is, simply train it there. 99% of the time you'll find that the next time you dictate that word Dragon will recognize it correctly. If it doesn't exist in the Active Vocabulary, then add it and train it making sure that it's spelled correctly. Remember, Dragon only recognizes words in the Active Vocabulary (Vocabulary Editor).Second, in the Dragon Options dialog | Corrections tab, if you remove the checkmark from the ' "Spell" commands bring up Spelling Window', then you can use the direct in-line spell command. That is, you can say spell followed immediately by spelling the appropriate entry you wish to make without going to the Spelling Window. In other words, when you use this direct in-line spell command, Dragon puts itself temporarily into spell mode and let you spell directly into your document as if you had open the Spelling Window or switched to spell mode. However, this takes some getting used to because you have to spell immediately after saying "spell". Otherwise, if you pause too long, Dragon will bring up the Spelling Window. Regardless, you lose nothing by setting the Dragon options to be able to utilize this feature. The only thing that happens if you pause too long is that you get the Spelling Window, which is what you wanted originally anyway. To put it another way, by doing this you add a feature that you can take advantage of without losing the functionality that you were looking for. Chuck Runquist "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is." - Yogi Berra -------------------------
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04/06/2012 01:04 PM
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While Chuck is correct as to the efficiency of not using the Spelling Window, that efficiency is lost using the direct in-line spell command as soon as a single letter is mis-recognized. Of course, you may be able to avoid misrecognition by dictating letters clearly and in full context without pause (the Dragon will look for actual words meeting the letter possibilities it thinks it hears, so for long words it almost always gets it right – but dictating the spelling of long words without pause is hard, at least for me), or by using the military alphabet (alpha, bravo, Charlie, delta, etc.) -- a technique I have not fully mastered. & Chuck is a highly experienced dictator, so no doubt he gains an advantage not using the Spelling Window. But, always using the Spelling Window affords immediate certainty as to what the Dragon heard, and in addition, when the Dragon gets it wrong (a "b" can sound like a "d" or an "8" can sound like an "a" when dictating, e.g, serial numbers or other codes for which no amount of context will help), if the right choice *is* available as a correction choice, the Dragon will learn what you meant. Btw, what Chuck said about the active vocabulary does not apply to the Spelling Window (or the Dragon when in spelling mode) as you can check for yourself when spelling out arbitrary letter combos (as in registration codes, and the like). -------------------------
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