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Topic Title: Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence
Topic Summary: Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence
Created On: 03/22/2012 05:26 PM
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 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - RussellD - 03/22/2012 05:26 PM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - R. Wilke - 03/22/2012 05:39 PM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - RussellD - 03/22/2012 05:41 PM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - Scribe - 03/22/2012 10:58 PM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - Chucker - 03/24/2012 07:26 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - R. Wilke - 03/24/2012 08:37 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - Jomark - 03/24/2012 10:04 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - R. Wilke - 03/24/2012 10:35 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - monkey8 - 03/24/2012 10:56 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - RussellD - 03/24/2012 11:01 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - GDS - 03/24/2012 05:13 PM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - Chucker - 03/25/2012 04:30 AM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - Jomark - 03/25/2012 01:06 PM  
 Forcing lowercase at the beginning of a sentence   - Chucker - 03/25/2012 02:30 PM  
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 03/22/2012 05:26 PM
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RussellD
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Like everyone else, I am regularly required to log into websites that do not remember my login and password information. Using the Vocabulary Editor, I created several logins, such that, for example, "russell" appears when I say "XYZ website login."

Here's the problem: unfortunately, the XYZ website login is case-sensitive, and my written form of "russell" automatically appears as "Russell" when I say "XYZ website login."

I've tried to adjust this through the Vocabulary Editor, without success so far. Is there a solution to this problem, or is this just one of those things that is impossible with DNS at this time?

As always, thank you for your input.

Russell

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 03/22/2012 05:39 PM
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I've tried to adjust this through the Vocabulary Editor, without success so far.

Doing this through the vocabulary editor is not possible (just because Dragon cannot tell when lowercase is required as an exception to the rule), however, if you make it a Text & Graphics command (via the command editor), it will stick (because the rules underlying the vocabulary words don't apply here).

Rüdiger

 



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Thank you, sir!

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Another option for you might be to say "lowercase that" after dictating the word/password that you do not want capitalized.

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 03/24/2012 07:26 AM
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Scribe,

Unless you're using KnowBrainer or you have created your own advanced script using one the professional versions of Dragon NaturallySpeaking, there is no known command for "lowercase that". That is, it's not built into Dragon NaturallySpeaking out-of-the-box.

On the other hand, this is a command in Windows Speech Recognition (WSR), just not in Dragon.

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 03/24/2012 08:37 AM
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Unless you're using KnowBrainer or you have created your own advanced script using one the professional versions of Dragon NaturallySpeaking, there is no known command for "lowercase that". That is, it's not built into Dragon NaturallySpeaking out-of-the-box


Chuck & everyone,

In Dragon, you can use "no-caps that" instead.

Rüdiger

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 03/24/2012 10:04 AM
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there is no known command for "lowercase that". That is, it's not built into Dragon NaturallySpeaking out-of-the-box.

Chuck

I beg to differ as both "lower case that" and "lowercase it" work for me when using DNS on its own.



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 03/24/2012 10:35 AM
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I beg to differ as both "lower case that" and "lowercase it" work for me when using DNS on its own.

I have heard that earlier today, from someone who is notorious for using the UK English version. With the US English version however, "lowercase that" won't work for me, the same as the one that I've recommended instead, namely "no-caps that", just won't work for him. Therefore, maybe there is a difference underlying the language version which we are specifically using, but I haven't tested this yet.

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 03/24/2012 10:56 AM
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Well whatever way you look at it you have already given the best solution Dr Wilke with your text and graphics command because lowercase that, lowercase this, lowercase it may well work with Microsoft Word and Dragon pad but it won't work in the context of Internet Explorer or a web browser which is the context we are talking about here.



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monkey8: Agreed!!

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 03/24/2012 05:13 PM
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Another way to force lowercase dictation is to say "no caps" before the word or phrase you want to dictate. This is an in-line dictation command so it will work without pausing. This command functions as the opposite of saying "cap." So, logging into your website by saying "no caps Russell" should do the trick.

Also, you may want to play around with other utilities that can store your online credentials and automatically log in to websites for you. Chuck has recommended Roboform on this website before, and I'm willing to bet that there are others that play well with Dragon.

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I beg to differ as both "lower case that" and "lowercase it" work for me when using DNS on its own.

John,

I should have perhaps been more clear. You are correct. In fact, there are several hundred lowercase commands. However, they are all Natural Language Commands and they are restricted to Microsoft Word.

If you're dictating into Notepad, WordPad, DragonPad, OpenOffice writer, Microsoft Outlook, yada yada yada, you're SOL. There is no "lowercase that" Global command set.

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If you're dictating into Notepad, OpenOffice writer?, Microsoft Outlook, yada yada yada, you're SOL. There is no "lowercase that" Global command set.

Chuck

I would agree with you in respect of the above although I have not tried OpenOffice writer.

however, "lower case it" (this) work fine for me in Wordpad and Dragonpad.

In the remainder, Notepad and Outlook "no caps that" work.

I would add that Excel is also a "no caps that"

The confusion with the initial posting is that the subject matter of the thread is somewhat different to that implied by the Subject: forcing lower case at the beginning of a sentence.



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John,

It's been a while since I checked it, but I stand corrected. It does work in DragonPad and WordPad and it is the same listing as for Microsoft Word as far as the available commands for lowercase.

However, OpenOffice writer is not supported as far as any lowercase commands are concerned. All the others that you note have Natural Language Commands for lowercase, but there are no Natural Language Commands for either OpenOffice writer or Mozilla Thunderbird.

Chuck Runquist
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