This is one of those issues that come up time and time again and you may wish to look in the previous thread is on the forum at the different discussions.  However one possible solution is not to use the "Stop" command.  Besides using "Stop" is in many cases is just adding extra work.  Instead of saying "Stop" try just saying directly what it is you are going to do with the mouse when you get to the point where you want to stop it.  So instead of stopping the mouse and then saying something like "mouse click" just say the command "mouse click" while the mouse is still moving and gets above the area that you want to click on.  Consequently you can do the same with right clicks etc, so basically just miss out the stop command and say exactly what it is you are going to do when you stop (this will still work even though the mouse is moving).

Lindsay

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We have no issues with these commands and suspect the real problem is your sound system.  The Canyon CNR-HS3 headset is a gaming and VoIP microphone. It isn't really designed for speech recognition which has higher requirements. However, your integrated Realtek soundcard is likely the biggest part of the problem. We don't recommend using any integrated soundcard but the Realtek is the worst. NaturallySpeaking can often appear accurate with a substandard sound system but we suspect you have experienced timeouts or dictation taking several seconds to hit the page when it should appear instantly.

This becomes more evident when attempting to deploy action commands (commands designed to stop mouse movement or wake up your computer). The DNS cancel command probably works better than stop because it's 2 syllables but until you upgrade your soundcard & microphone, you will likely continue suffering from substandard accuracy. Speech recognition can only be as strong as its weakest link.

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Romulus11,

First, I would tend to agree with Lunis. Your recognition history shows that DNS is not even recognizing the command "stop". Using your headset with the built-in RealTek soundcard is most likely at the root of your problem. Nuance has a technote in its knowledge base discussing the wherefores and the why nots regarding RealTek soundcards. The bottom line is you're better off avoiding internal soundcards anyway. If you were to go with, for example, the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW and the Andrea half duplex USB SoundPod, you very likely wouldn't have this problem.

Second, aside from all that, Lindsay's advice is something that you should take very seriously. It's much more practical than trying to stop the mouse pointer once you get it moving and the command recognition is much more reliable regardless of what microphone/soundcard you're using. The bottom line is why do anything in multiple steps by voice command when you can accomplish the same thing with a single command. I'm not talking about starting mouse movements or dragging the mouse. What I'm talking about is that if you use "stop" then you have to issue the mouse action commands (i.e., click, right-click, etc.). That's a two-step process that isn't really necessary. This is how I train my clients to use the Dragon mouse commands so as to avoid potential problems with the "stop" command, as well as to be more productive in using the mouse by voice.

Chuck Runquist
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Thanks for the answers. I have spent a lot of time searching for products and I think this one would be optimal:  headset Plantronics Audio 610. But, now I don't know if I need new soundcard, since this is USB headset - I read that practically you don't need sound card with USB headset? 

The Plantronics .Audio 610 USB headset would be a reasonable upgrade and would NOT require purchasing a separate USB soundcard because the microphone already includes a USB soundcard but we wouldn't call it “optimal”. “adequate” would be much closer to the truth. The .Audio 610 USB headset is what Nuance includes in a box of DNS Pro and any microphone that Nuance includes in the box should be considered as a starter or backup microphone at best. The .Audio 610 will definitely do the job and is a step up from your current sound system but it isn't going to be as accurate, noise filtering or forgiving as a professional grade microphone.

The reason why we say forgiving is because all Plantronics microphones include a small microphone element that has very little tolerance for misalignment. After you run the Audio Setup Wizard your microphone will be balanced but if the microphone moves .5 inches in any direction, your accuracy will drop. Professional larger diaphragm microphone elements are far more forgiving and can often tolerate 1.5 inches or even 2 inches of misalignment and misalignment is fairly common when putting on and taking off a microphone. The other problem with Plantronics microphones is that they have almost no noise filtering which means that environmental noise; even breathing, can be misinterpreted. NaturallySpeaking 11 introduced a new Nothing But Words (our term) algorithm that is impressive at deciphering between noise and words but unfortunately it can make you wait 4 seconds for the algorithm to process the information. Every chair squeak, lip purse and coffee cup clink can result in a 4 second time out. If you have the extra time to wait through these timeouts, this won't be a problem but we found them to be too frustrating and that's why we only recommend professional noise filtering microphones. We also 2nd Chuck's recommendation for the Audio-Technica Pro 8HEmW and the Andrea 1\2 duplex soundcard but it also comes at a higher cost. It really boils down to what your time is worth.

Also note that the. Audio 610 USB isn't quite good enough to be listed in our Microphone Comparison Matrix where you can view our latest test results which compare pricing, accuracy, noise cancellation, features and even comfort.

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Okay, this was quite disappointing. The main problem is that I live in Serbia, so my choice of headsets is quite limited. (Not to mention the price factor). Many of the brands in the list are unavailable in my country. Having in mind all you said, I think it will be some Jabra headset. 

Can you run the model of Jabra headset you are looking at past us? The reason why we ask is because the Plantronics .Audio 610 USB would actually be a better choice than most Jabra models.

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The .Audio 625 USB is on par with the .Audio 610 but the .Audio 355 is strictly a gaming microphone that we would recommend against. The Sennheiser microphones are all low end but pretty much on par with the .Audio 610. The Samson Q7 is better than any of the previously mentioned headset microphones, other than the Pro 8HEcW which is way out in front of the pack but would require an adapter for speech recognition.

Don't forget that you will also need a good USB soundcard with either the Pro 8HEcW or Q7. Also note that you will need to add a specialized XLR cable with a stereo 3.5 mm plug for the Q7 or a 6 foot stereo shielded extension cord for the Pro 8HEcW because it only includes 4 feet of cable. Unfortunately, the best microphones are not exactly out-of-the-box ready for speech recognition.

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I have integrated Sigma Tel Audio and use a Logitech Clearchat headset through the front audio ports, and I have never had a problem with the "stop" mouse command.

But if I did, I would certainly want to know why rather then just stop using it.

 

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It's quite simple why it doesn't work hmyer and why many people have this problem:

1. It's a one syllable word with no context

2. Throw in a non-English accent (even Scottish, Irish) and makes it even more difficult as DNS has no real language model for such accents.

3. Throw in a built in sound card and that can contribute even more.

4. Throw in a cheap microphone and yet again you could be adding to the problem.

One of these on their own might not cause the problem but a combination of certainly has more chance of doing this. Therefore the solutions presented will apply in different situations.

I have an elderly Norwegian client who uses a Sennheiser ME-3N with an Andrea soundpod and he cannot get the command recognised, therefore he simply does not use it and usually uses "mouseclick" when he gets to where he wants to get to. Mouseclick has more chance of working for various reasons including the fact it is two syllables.

He commented after a couple of weeks that he was not sure why he bothered using stop anyway as it was an unnecessary step. If you don't want to spend more money on unnecessary equipment to try and get, what in most cases is on unnecessary step, then stopping using what is unnecessary anyway is a perfectly logical solution particularly as a new microphone headset or soundcard may not resolve the problem.

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Quite an interesting approach, Mr. Scott. I just dictated that into an application I'm currently developing, which you are familiar with somehow, trying to find out what the confidence score for that particular word is, when dictating it on its own. The first time, it was a major failure, coming out as low as 565. Please note that this is just in the middle of the range, with a top-notch score being in the high 990's. However, I repeated dictating it a couple of times, and every time the confidence score obviously improved significantly, therefore coming out as high as 865 in the end even when dictating it on its own.

Beam me up, Scotty

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Thanks Spock, being a great believer in the science behind your tool (after all it is Dragon analysing Dragon) it surprises me not that those figures backup what I am saying.  I note with a standard sentence, which of course contains context, an average reading for a word would be more like 980 even with a DNS microphone straight from the box.

It is hardly surprising therefore that Dragon does have problems with the word "Stop" particularly considering the circumstances mentioned above.

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I might say we are on the same page here. At first, comparing microphones wasn't exactly what I had in mind, but somehow it took turns this way also.

Rüdiger (written form) // Rudiger (spoken form)

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Latest Newsflash From Lieutenant Uhura - stop

Arsenal 1-1 Newcastle – stop

Over and out captain - stop

 

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 I have three of those plus I have my headset plugged into the front audio ports which is another "no-no", so no, you haven't explained anything or made anything look simple.

 Telling someone just not to use the "stop" command is like telling someone not to use the second gear in their car because it doesn't work instead of fixing the problem.

And if "stop" doesn't work, what else doesn't work? And why would "stop" be recognized in a sentence but not a command? Are you suggesting he loses his accent when he talks in a sentence?

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You can have all four hmyer and stop may still work quite happily so read what I am saying but you are getting there.  So who says then that plugging a USB soundcard or headset into the front port is a "no-no"?  It has been suggested by some on this forum that it can cause problems but I have never seen anyone saying that it is completely forbidden as it will never work.  Start giving some credibility to what you're saying by answering that or by showing the thread where someone has actually said that.

Telling someone not use the "stop" is like telling them they do not need to stop walking in order to chew gum but I expect you have to stop.



It's called context hmyer, it's how Dragon is as accurate as it is, it really wouldn't be anything like as accurate without it.

Now I have better things to do so whatever may constitute a reply I won't be answering it, make the most of it.

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You can be as insulting as you want, it just shows you are running out of real things to say.

I was just adding to your list. It was just as "completely forbidden as" the rest.


Your first post was "why are you using stop anyway" rather then addressing the problem.

What kind of software are we talking about where it's okay that certain core commands do not work?
I'm sure that wasn't in the demo.

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No one claimed that Dragon is not able to recognize the word "stop", the question is, how much can you count on it being recognized as opposed to other words in context. That's the whole point of the current discussion. In order to demonstrate this, I just did a run using a particular application I have currently designed for that purpose. Please have a look at the confidence scores for each single word in the given utterance, where "stop" was contained. Please also note that the confidence scores range from 0 up to 999.

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Romulus my last post mentioning mouse click was added again primarily to reply to hmyer who "… would want to know why…" the command "Stop" doesn't work. No way would I question your decision to resolve the issue by trying a new microphone and soundcard and I sincerely hope this resolves your problem. Even if it does not it has to be the basis of a good working dictation system and would probably be the first thing I did, in fact it was one of the first things I did but it certainly doesn't resolve anything like all recognition issues

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Final Result From Lieutenant Uhura - stop

Arsenal 2-1 Newcastle – stop

Uhura is over the moon – stop

Over and out captain – stop

:-) :-) :-) :-) - Stop

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So is that any good?

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I have had this same problem, too (not recognizing the word "stop" and not recognizing other commands while the mouse pointer is moving). I have had many situations where the mouse is endlessly moving and I am repeatedly and frustratedly saying, "stop stop stop". In these situations it doesn't matter what is said, "mouse click" is also just ignored. The mouse stops moving as soon as you start talking, but after Dragon thinks for a bit, the mouse starts up again.

Solution found! Of course, it was hardware. I bought Plantronics audio 625 USB and everything works perfect, at least for now (it has been half an hour since I started using it). From my point of view, accuracy is excellent, but have in mind that I am using it in a silent room (although, with a lot of echo) and that my previous headset was quite bad quality. These are my first impressions - I have never before tried DNS with a better headset than this one.Thanks everyone for your help and especially to Lunis.

FWIW... I've been using the Plantronics Callisto (wireless) in a relatively noisy atmosphere (TV nearby) for the past couple of years, and loving every minute of it. BUT on the subject of stopping the mouse when it has been instructed to move and/or drag is definitely a sore spot with me.
Using Dragon 11 it was a 50-50 if the stop, speed up, slow down would work, and when I first started using 12, it worked about 90% of the time.
But after running the Acoustic Optimizer just one time, it will now NEVER stop, slow down or speed up the mouse; NEVER! Anybody have an idea how to fix it under the circumstances?
Thanks in advance,
Inde'

We really don't recommend running the Acoustic Optimizer for exactly this reason. A lot of end-users have reported noticeable improvement after running this utility but a lot of other end-users have reported the opposite effect. We recommend switching to your backup user profile which you have hopefully not overwritten yet because NaturallySpeaking overwrites the backup, by default, every 5 times you save your user files.

If you are unfamiliar with the process, lookup “switching” in the NaturallySpeaking Quick Tips which, if you are using KnowBrainer 2012, you can launch by saying Open Quick Tips  or manually clicking the "NaturallySpeaking Quick Tips" link (located under the "Recommend Links" section of this forum).

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