I use dragon medical 10.1 and the Powermic II microphone. 

I have another computer in my network that i need to dictate onto. I am able to remote onto that desktop but i find that when I use dragon dictation from the computer that I am sitting on to dictate on the remote computer it doesn't recognise the programs eg word and says dictating into a non standard window on the remote computer. I am therefore unable to say any commands or select text etc. More interesting is that this process only works for about 10 minutes and then i am not even able to dictate at all onto the remote computer. i get an error SendKeys cancelled and under details the comment is 'at line 1 in script Global Dictation'.

 

Obviously the best way around this was to open up Dragon dictation on the remote computer and to speak on the computer I am on and for this to be sent over the remote desktop connection to the remote computer. unfortunately dragon doesn't open up as it doesn't detecy any microphone.  if open my user profile it says that no micophone is connected. I have checked that the computer that i am on transfers the audio and i am pretty sure that the remote receives the audio however dragon can't tell where the audio input is. under my user there is a source button for new audio sources but there is nothing to click to say that the audio has come from a remote source.

 any ideas how i can get around this problem. If this problem can be fixed then it will mean that i can potentially log onto my work computer from another location and dictate directly onto the remote desktop.

 chris

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Christopher Allada

Cardiologist

Dragon Medical 11, Knowbrainer 2011, Dell Precision T3500 PC, Xeon W3520 CPU at 2.8GHz, Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 12 GB ram

Chris,

First, in order to provide a solution, we need to know exactly how you are connecting to your remote computer (i.e., method).

Second, in order to dictate into Microsoft Word or any Microsoft Office application on your remote computer, Dragon needs to load the appropriate Select-and-Say support for Microsoft Word, Excel, or Outlook. When you launch any of these applications on your remote system, Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) is not enabled because Dragon is open and active on your local system but not on the remote system. Therefore, you are, in effect, dictating to a nonstandard window.

Dragon NaturallySpeaking is not networkable. That is, you can't access a remote system, launch Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and dictate from their. You've already seen the reason why. That is, there is no microphone accessible on the remote system and you couldn't access it anyway because no microphone is connected. That is, your microphone is on the local system. The long and the short of it is that you cannot do this with standard out-of-the-box retail or commercial versions of Dragon NaturallySpeaking because it simply isn't supported.

There is one thing that you can try. In order to engage Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) on your remote system, you would have to launch Dragon NaturallySpeaking on that system with a microphone/soundcard (from the remote system) accessible. In other words, you would have to have a microphone connected to a valid soundcard on the remote system itself. You could then turn the microphone off on the remote system keeping Dragon loaded and open Microsoft Word, which should then be Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) enabled. However, as you have already seen, you can still have problems with remote accessibility because you still have to dictate from your local computer and that can cause errors from time to time on the remote.

On the other hand, the most reliable way is to connect to your remote desktop through a Citrix thin client or other applicable and supported remote desktop application, one way of doing this is through TeamViewer which is free for personal use. However, even with TeamViewer and/or something like GotoMy PC, you still have to have a means of linking the two systems together. In TeamViewer this requires that you launch TeamViewer on the remote system so that it generates an ID and a password and then you have to connect through your local system entering the password and ID from the remote. Even doing it this way, launching any Microsoft Office application that is supported by Dragon NaturallySpeaking, you will still be dictating into a nonstandard window because Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) would not be enabled on the remote except under the condition that you can load Dragon NaturallySpeaking on the remote system with a microphone/soundcard enabled on the remote. However, you would likely be able to dictate into notepad or WordPad. Nevertheless, you can still run into problems. Regardless, Dragon would have to be fully loaded on the remote with a user profile active, and that requires that a microphone/soundcard be accessible on the remote system.

The only other way that you can dictate, copy, and paste into your remote desktop system would be to use the Dragon NaturallySpeaking dictation box on the local system. When you're ready, you should be able to transfer the text from the dictation box to your remote system. Fortunately for you using DNS 10.1 Medical, the dictation box is not anchored to a specific application as it is with the other nonmedical versions of Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Therefore, you can move about your local and/or your remote system until you're ready to transfer the text from your dictation box. You should be able to place the cursor in whatever application your currently active using on the remote system and then say "transfer" or "transfer text" and it should transfer to that window. This may be somewhat tedious. However, one of the other advantages of the Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical dictation box is that you can leave the dictation box open so that after the text is transferred, the Dictation Box will be blank, but it will remain open and accessible for the next entry that you want to dictate and transfer.

Chuck Runquist
Technical Project Manager
VoiceTeach LLC
Home of VoicePower® Ultimate

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Dear Chuck,

 

Thanks for the comments.

 

I have installed TeamViewer which is ok although screen resolution is not that great. this is good for logging in from home. I have set up the account so i don't need priviledges from the remote computer.

As i am usually in the office and want to dictate onto the other computer i use mstsc in the run command to logon to the remote computer.

 

I agree it is too hard to get the remote computer to recognise a dictaphone on another computer. I cannot imagine how i share a microphone on the local computer to the remote computer. I will try and locate another microphone which I will connect to the remote computer, have dragon on the remote compter turned on, turn the microphone off for the remote microphone, and then see if remote computer's dragon will recognise the audio from the local computer. I will let you know whether this works.

 

The advise on the transfer text although a little tedious works fine and will do if i cannot get the above to work.

 

Chris

 

 

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Christopher Allada

Cardiologist

Dragon Medical 11, Knowbrainer 2011, Dell Precision T3500 PC, Xeon W3520 CPU at 2.8GHz, Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 12 GB ram

Chris,

You're using the default screen resolution, which favors speed over quality and uses low resolution. Once you figure out how to adjust your display resolution, you'll see that, although you might get a little slower response, your resolution Re: your remote display is just as good as your current local screen resolution. TeamViewer takes a little bit of time to get used to in terms of setup and configuration.

Chuck Runquist
Technical Project Manager
VoiceTeach LLC
Home of VoicePower® Ultimate

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I know it's not officially supported, but...

At work I've been running Dragon Naturally Speaking Professional V10 and now V11 on a VMWare VDI session on an ESX 3 server and transporting microphone input over RDP using a plugin from Elusiva called Remote Sound v1.1.

This works both at work using a desktop PC and over the internet from home using a company laptop with a VPN into the company network. 

It works surprisingly well and gives me a huge advantage over having to log in and out of different PCs.

I can start work on the laptop, unplug the Buddy USB 6G and microphone, take them into the office, plug them into any PC with the Elusiva client installed and connect to my VDI session and carry on where I left off without shutting down anything, provided I give the PC time to notice the USB device has been attached before connecting.

I've a suspicion it will work better if I can get the optimal hardware configuration (processors/cores and RAM) but this is proving difficult due to the lack of support for this configuration from Nuance.

The advantages of this set up are huge - time saved starting stuff up and shutting it down, ability to work in more than one location with a single install, single profile and consistent hardware - the VDI sees the microphone as "Elusiva RDP Audio Input" and the actual hardware is always the same Buddy USB 6G and microphone. The only thing that varies is the network latency and the background noise.

From a practical point of view, it also means I can retreat into a private room if I have something private or sensitive to dictate or the ambient noise in the office is too high.

Dictation only is no good to me as I need to be able to use DNS as a mouse and keyboard replacement, not just for dictation.

The bottom line is that, in spite of the lack of support from Nuance, this configuration works well for me, but could be better if only there was a little bit of official support. 

 

 

 

 

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David Gisbey

(Work: DNS pro V11.0 on Win XP 32bit SP3, on VMWare VDI running on ESX 3 single core, 1GB virtual RAM on Xeon 3GHz server, connecting with RDP plus Elusiva remote sound v1.1)

(Home: DNS v12 on Win 7 pro SP1 64 bit on HP p6061 with Q8200 and 8GB RAM) 

Sound: Buddy USB 6G + Sennheiser ME3

Voice profile: UK English (but with Scottish accent :-)) 

 

Cool!

In theory, I suppose you could even control the VDI session with a mobile client supporting the mic on your cell phone for even greater portability. Think of that.

P

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PG

How does Dragon react to not having a physical microphone attached while running in the Virutal environment

Does Elusiva overcome that?

Whenever I connect to my Workstation from home via Remote Desktop Dragon always gives me a warning.

The concept of installing Dragon on a Server and connecting in with RDP, and dictating from any machine sounds fantastic.

 

In most situations, this shouldn't be an issue. Think of NaturallySpeaking as an alternative verbal keyboard. Just like you can type on a remote computer, via your keyboard, you can use speech recognition from your computer to dictate onto a remote computer. We do this every day with TeamViewer. NaturallySpeaking basically treats our remote sessions as a non-Select-&-Say environment which still allows us to use global commands.

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We noted that you're using the KnowBrainer 2011 and along with Chuck's superb advice, you also have the option of utilizing the KnowBrainer Transfer commands by dictating into NotePad, on your local computer and saying Transfer, after you have corrected the text. The KnowBrainer Transfer command will cut everything from NotePad to the clipboard, paste the contents of the clipboard into your remote application, tab to the next field and revert back to NotePad on your local computer so that you can repeat the process.

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The notepad transfer command does not work with my version of knowbrainer 2008. This is not such an issue as it is not such an issue to tab to the next field.

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Christopher Allada

Cardiologist

Dragon Medical 11, Knowbrainer 2011, Dell Precision T3500 PC, Xeon W3520 CPU at 2.8GHz, Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 12 GB ram

The application-specific NotePad Transfer command wasn't really perfected until the KnowBrainer 2011 Upgrade release. Sorry about that.

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Question for the more technically adept than myself. Would it be possible to have the Airline 77 microphone with its 300 foot range hooked on the remote computer, and visualize the screen on the remote computer using an android tablet hooked to the same wifi network as the remote computer? If so would this let me dictate into a window on the remote computer into dragon pad and control it with voice commands and see the results on the android tablet screen?

Thanks in advance from a longtime lurker on the forum.

coxwe

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Too many variables. The first thing he would have to do is to be able to view the remote desktop on your Android tablet. The second thing is that the remote desktop would have to be within the 300 foot range between the microphone and the base station, which would have to be at the remote location.. The third thing would be that the 300 foot range is affected by variables, such as going through concrete walls, steel structures, etc. These can reduce the effective range of the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone because you simply can't absolutely guarantee the full 300 foot range under all conditions. Lastly, I think it highly unlikely all things considered.

Interesting concept. However, practically difficult if not impossible.

PS, just as an additional even though seemingly insignificant point, there is a big difference between DragonDictate and Dragon NaturallySpeaking. I think most of us understand what you mean, but I point this out just for clarity in the future.

Chuck Runquist
Owner, GEMCCON – The Choice of Intelligence
Speech Recognition Consulting and Training

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is." - Yogi Berra

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It's not only doable but we have several dentists and chiropractors working this way. Most are using an iPad which we have not yet tested but we figured we might as well order and iPad 2 with our leftover frequent flyer miles.

A couple of weeks ago, we tested the free Android version of TeamViewer in our 7 inch Samsung Galaxy Tab. Note that all of the caveats that Chuck mentioned come into play, along with 1 more. Remote viewing utilities, such as TeamViewer, typically don't resize the screen so you can only see part of the remote desktop screen at a time which calls for a lot of scrolling. You can definitely mouse click into the various fields and dictate wirelessly with the Samson Airline 77 but mouse clicking into each field might take a couple of seconds and isn't as efficient as using the mouse on the workstation. If you're going to use a Galaxy Tab or other Android tablet, you might want to spring for a 10 inch model. All things considered, it actually works pretty well and although we don't have a lot of clients working this way, several have told us that they are happy with the arrangement. Now if we could just figure a way to make this work over the Internet

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My office is small and the greatest distance would be less than 40 feet. The Airline 77 works from anywhere in the office. I recently purchased the Airline 77 from Lunis and am using it. I also purchased DPME update 11 but have not installed because of the problems I've read about on the forum, as I am very dependent on Naturally Speaking and can't afford to have my system down. I have a 7 inch android tablet but if needed could get a ten inch. I am biased against apple because its overly tight control, but could get an Ipad if it was significantly more effective.

If this would work, I could dictate from the exam rooms and it should save me time.

Thanks for the help.

coxwe

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I am using version 9.5 and I have no problem dictating onto my remote PC clear I'm renaming files all the time.

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