I would like to use Terminal Services,DNS, and Word. I am a hospitalist and have setup my template based EMR on Word onto a 2008 Server. There is more ,of course, to the EMR and server,  I am stuck with how to setup speech recognition.

  Does anyone have any experience with this? I have gone through the forum and noticed something about shutting down DNS prior to remoting in from home.

We will doing all our work through TS. The server is at home.

 Some of us can't type. For this to be Killer, I need DNS> Any help is appreciated.

sssd

>> I am stuck with how to setup speech recognition.<<

I installed DNS Medical on Windows 2003 Server and then attempted to use DNS on a thin client with TS. However, my thin clients only had 64 megs of ram. The program started but then an error message ensued. This was two years ago and I can't remember the specifics. I have since replaced those thin clients with Dell Desktops, so I might revisit this issue. I can't imagine voice working well over TS without some sort of custom algorithm to compress and decompress the sound. Have you checked with Nuance to see if this is doable?

Did you install  and setup DNS on your 08 Server? Are you really using TS with Cals or are you using Remote Desktop?

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C.M.Wilkerson, D.C.
Carson Doctors Group
www.MedicalTabletPC.com
www.Digital-Doc.com

 

I must profess some ignorance with TS. I do believe that it is with Cals since the number of users that can log in is "limitless" as compared to RDP. I have purchased a five license through my IT person.

I have not done any installing with regards to DNS. I want to know if it can even work first.

 As you mentioned, the sound files need to be compressed and then decompressed or simply transferred. Which raises the question of using a voice recorder instead, I don't know.

 I will discuss with Nuance regarding this. I had emailed other specialists in the field, they told me it was a no go.

 Thanks.

>> I want to know if it can even work first.<<

Nuance will almost certainly not know and therefore not support.

Try installing yourself and make sure it works on 08, then simply log in over a TS connection. All you have to lose is time ;-)

Make sure you uninstall when and if you install any Nuance product as they count each install against your limited license.

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C.M.Wilkerson, D.C.
Carson Doctors Group
www.MedicalTabletPC.com
www.Digital-Doc.com

 

supersupersuperdweeb,

I've been reading the threads in this post with interest hoping that someone would pipe in with a little more detail.  However, says that hasn't happened I offer the following as an explanation of what you can and can't do with DNS relative to using it with a server.

1.  DNS is not networkable.  That is, you cannot install it on a network and then access it remotely.  DNS will work only if you are booting directly into the network server.  When working remotely DNS must be installed on the remote workstation/terminal because it requires that each workstation terminal have its own copy in order to access the local soundcard and launch DNS.

2.  Only the Professional versions can make use of the Roaming user feature.  That is, you can store all of your master Roaming user files on a network server and access them remotely.  Since I note that you are using DNS Preferred, the Roaming user feature is not available on not version.

The long and the short of it is that DNS must be installed locally.  That doesn't mean that you cannot access applications and files remotely on the server.  It simply means that DNS has to be installed and accessed from the local workstation/terminal.  You can map network drives on your terminal/workstation such that you can access your data and applications from a mapped network drive as if it were local, but you cannot access DNS remotely if it is installed on the server itself.

I don't know whether or not the DNS Help explains this under Networking with DNS Preferred, but there is a significant amount of information that explains all of this in the Help with regard to the Professional versions.

If I have misunderstood your intentions and your needs, please clarify.

Chuck Runquist
GEMCCON - The Choice of Intelligence
Speech Recognition Consulting and Training

If the answer is wrong it is because the question was wrong.  Unknown - ancient Chinese saying

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That answers my question. Probably a good Thing with all the programs running. Too many people delicate programs, there goes the Server .It'll take a little bit, hopefully there will Be an answer in the next few months. Thanks everyone.

Question:  How do you get the Mic In from the Client PC to the Server on 2008 Server?  I had to upgrade to Citrix Presentation Server to get the audio from the Remote to the server then Dragon worked fine!

This one aint gonna happen. i dropped TS and I wont go to citrix. vpn on sql.

Information regarding Dragon on Terminal Server...

Windows 2008 R2 is the 1st Windows Server OS to support bi-directional audio (RDP 7.0)

RDP Version 7.0 was released to manufacturing July 2009 and is included with Windows Server 2008 R2, as well as with Windows 7 ^[9]. With this release, the server name was also changed from Terminal Services to Remote Desktop Services. This version incorporates new functionality such as Windows Media Player redirection, bidirectional audio, true multimonitor support, Aero glass support, enhanced bitmap acceleration, Easy Print redirection ^[10], Language Bar docking. The RDP 7.0 client is available on Windows XP SP3 and Windows Vista SP1/SP2. (see RDP protocol on Wikipedia)

Bi-directional audio allows for a client PC to upload audio back to the Terminal Server (Remote Desktop Services) without any 3rd party software

(there are a few other TS add-ons that expanded RDP audio support from unidirectional to bi-directional prior to RDP 7.0)

So to address your question regarding the possibilityof running DNS on Windows 2008...Yes it can be done but would require a 2008 R2 server and client PCs running the RDP 7.0 client

 

I'm working on this as a proof of concept right now.

Using DNS Medical 10.1.

I've loaded Server 2008 R2 SP1 standard x64 in my VMWare virtual machine.

The VM is using the onboard sound as its input.

I'm using a USB sound card as my local capture device.

I am able to RDP from my physical box to my VM and use ms sound recorder to capture data and play it back so I know the audio redirection is working.

My issue is that I cannot get dragon to launch when connected locally to the server.

the process runs, and the dragon splash screen comes up. 

The 64 bit ui automation process kicks off.  I can see it and the natspeak processes running in the process manager.

 However, it doesn't prompt me to configure a new profile like it should on first run.

I've setting tried the natspeak and dgnuiasvr_64 and dgnuiasvr to run in windows 7 compatibilty modes, as well as in windows vista and xp compatibility modes but none of these solutions are working. 

Once, I got an error indicating that the browser wasn't allowing java extensions to run, and once I got a c++ runtime error, but neither have been replicable.  

Perhaps the activation is trying to run and failing, or the c++ runtimes weren't installed properly?

I have a DNS 10.1 disk from my retailer that I was able to use to install successfully on my windows 7 x64 physical machine and that runs great.  I just need to get it to run locally on the server 08 box so I can try to connect via RDP to test further.

 

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks!

 

Nick

 

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log output:

Dragon Systems error log started Thursday, March 10, 2011 17:11:39
17:11:39 Starting process C:\Program Files (x86)\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\natspeak.exe (ENX)
17:11:41 Doing self-calibration...
17:11:41 Calibration: Done with 0 changes made.
17:11:41 [x64] (UIAServer) Identity: S-1-5-21-2576813218-2536404338-1177269018-1000ragon.UiaServer64
17:11:41 [x64] (UIAServer) Info: The server has started with Integrity Access Level: <3>
17:11:42 LOG (MainWin): Windows user has administrative access to NatSpeak
17:11:42 Dragon Medical Version 10.10.000.272
17:11:42 OS: Windows 2008 server R2 build 7600 64-bit
17:11:42 Locale: 409
17:11:42 Multimedia: Microphone (VMware VMaudio (VMA(1.101)
17:11:42 Marshaler: Microsoft, Version 4.0.4.2512
17:11:42 Doing QuickCheck of installation...
17:11:42 Edition: Medical
17:11:42 Edition history: <empty>
17:11:42 Warning: Windows NT 6.1 is not supported.
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\system32\comctl32.dll: Version 5.82.7601.17514
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\system32\riched20.dll: Version 5.31.23.1230
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\system32\riched32.dll: Version 6.1.7601.17514, LanguageID 0x0409
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\system32\comdlg32.dll: Version 6.1.7601.17514
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\system32\user32.dll: Version 6.1.7601.17514
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\system32\oleacc.dll: Version 7.0.0.0
17:11:42 Info: Running under 'DRAGON-TS\Admin' account (S-1-5-21-2576813218-2536404338-1177269018-1000)
17:11:42 Warning: UAC is not enabled
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\speech\speech.dll: Version 4.0.4.2512
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\speech\vcmd.exe: Version 4.0.4.2512
17:11:42 File C:\Windows\speech\vcmshl.dll: Version 4.0.4.2512
17:11:42 File C:\PROGRA~2\Nuance\NATURA~1\Program\dnstk10.dll: Version 10.10.0.272
17:11:42 File C:\PROGRA~2\Nuance\NATURA~1\Program\dd10enum.dll: Version 10.10.0.272
17:11:42 File C:\PROGRA~2\Nuance\NATURA~1\Program\dd10edit.dll: Version 10.10.0.272
17:11:42 File C:\Program Files (x86)\Nuance\NaturallySpeaking10\Program\nstex50.dll: Version 10.10.0.272
17:11:42 Internet Explorer: Version 8.0.7601.17514
17:11:42 DirectX: Version 4.09.00.0904
17:11:42 IMA_ADPCM is supported by IMA ADPCM codec
17:11:42 ALAW is supported by CCITT A-Law codec
17:11:42 MULAW is supported by CCITT u-Law codec
17:11:42 ADPCM is supported by Microsoft ADPCM codec
17:11:42 QuickCheck Passed.
17:11:42 Identity: S-1-5-5-0-110282ragon.ActiveServices

There is a specific version of Dragon Medical needed to be published on Remote Desktop top

 10.10.300.048 I believe