PS I ordered DNS 11 today from KnowBrainer. I have been using 10.1, but I always try to get the latest and greatest when I can. 

1.  Through its acquisitions as well as having collected a huge corpus of end-user speech data, and beginning with DNS 9, Nuance began to introduce its own more or less speaker independent Acoustic Model.  What started off in the old days as having approximately a few thousand speakers and a couple of million words associated with such, has progressed to the point now with the speech data collected from the iPhones and Blackberries, along with data collection through DNS itself from end-users, the corpus of speech data has increased to a level of about several million speakers and many many millions of associated text documents comprising tens of millions of words.  The more or less speaker independent Acoustic Model in DNS 10 supports many users of all ages with no training out-of-the-box and virtually 97 to 98 or 99% without having to train a user profile.  Some users still have to go through training because of heavy accents or simply because of the fact that an untrained Acoustic Model doesn't work well for them.  But such users are the exception now rather than the rule.  As a result, UniVoice is not as viable as it was when it was first introduced.

2.  Since DNS 10-10.1 has been in use, Nuance has continued to acquire huge amounts of speech data in addition to what it already has relative to DNS 10.  This leads to the speculation that the speaker independent Acoustic Model will be even better in DNS 11.  However, we'll all just have to wait and see.

3.  Given that you're using the Preferred version of DNS 9, you're lacking a significant amount of medical vocabulary.  This basically means that any transcription of any audio file, no matter how clear and good it is, is not going to give you very good accuracy if the speaker is using medical terminology.  That's just a given.  In other words, my guess is that no matter how good your recordings are, your vocabulary and Language Models simply don't support high accuracy when transcribing from a medical dictation standpoint.  I'm not surprised that you're getting the results that you are.  In short, is trying to win the Indianapolis 500 with a 100 hp Volkswagen engine.  It just ain't going to happen.

4.  In addition, remember that audio recordings are one step removed from direct dictation using a microphone and a soundcard.  They are going to be anywhere from 2 to 5% less accurate, and sometimes more if the quality of your audio recording and digital recording equipment is less than optimal.

5.  If you're going to transcribe audio recordings from your doctor, then create a DVR profile and train it.  In addition, you need to add a significant number of documents through the vocabulary builder that contain the medical terminology so that you can add the medical terms that are necessary for proper transcription of medical dictation.  You're not using the medical version, so you don't have either the Language Model or the vocabulary that the medical version  has.  In fact, the vocabulary that you're using regardless of whether it is a DVR-based or standard user based, is a general vocabulary, which is very good for dictating e-mails and performing standard dictation, but not particularly good when you dealing with medical transcription.

The bottom line is that if you want audio transcription to give you good accuracy, then you need the following:

1.  You need to have the best DVR recording equipment.  This is one area where you cannot cut corners or scrimp or buy cheap.  If you do, continue to expect poor results.

2.  You have to set up and properly train a digital voice recorder user profile.  Using a standard dictation user profile isn't going to cut it, with or without training.  You might get reasonably good results if the equipment that you're using is the best you can get.  That is, if your profession relies on accurate transcription from audio recordings, then you got a have the best equipment.  Otherwise you're spitting in the wind.

3.  You need to make sure that you have a good list of medical terms and vocabulary that you need in order to have them properly recognized.  If words don't exist in the Active Vocabulary, they're not going to get recognized properly, and the misrecognitions will likely be as bizarre as you have been getting.  You need to add those words to the vocabulary and you need to analyze documents for writing style to make sure that the Language Model conforms to the type of audio transcription that you're doing.

If you don't follow these guidelines, then the only alternative you have is to continue echo dictating.  So, the choice is yours.  How much would you like to increase your productivity and your accuracy with regard to transcribing your doctor's audio recordings.  If you follow the guidelines above, you should be able to get at least 95% accuracy when transcribing the doctor's audio recordings.  Otherwise, you just spinning your wheels.

Having been part of the original DNS development team and having worked with QA on developing profiles for digital voice recording, there are many things that you can do to improve the accuracy of audio transcription.  For example, when training a DVR profile, if you have a recording made by the Dr. that is at least 30 minutes long, or more, you can use that as a training script.  You don't have to follow absolutely the training scripts provided when creating such a profile.  The only thing that DNS is doing when it is creating an Acoustic Model for a DVR user profile is listening to the speech and creating a voice pattern (frequency spectrogram) coupled with the underlying pronunciations of each word (triphones).  This is what is used to transcribe any dictation from a digital voice recorder.  It doesn't matter what the script is, it only matters that it is the speaker for whom you will be transcribing audio files and that it is at least 30 minutes long.  I've demonstrated this to hundreds of clients over the years.  Just follow the instructions for creating such a profile and when it comes time to play the recording, use the recordings made by your doctor and forget about any specific script recommended or suggested by DNS.  You don't have to go that route and it works exceedingly well.  For example, I took a very high quality recording of Dr. Deepak Chopra for one of his one-hour lectures, created a new DVR user profile, selected Indian English as the, what is now called, accent, language and previous versions, and use his lecture to train that profile even though I had selected Dave Barry in Cyberspace as the script.  After creating that profile I then ran that audio recording back through the user profile that I created and the accuracy was virtually 93%.  After correcting and updating the profile, I got an accuracy level of 97.6% read transcribing that same audio recording.

The bottom line is that if you're going to continue trying to swat flies with a sledgehammer, you're not going to be very successful.

Chuck Runquist
Technical Project Manager
VoiceTeach LLC
Home of VoicePower® Ultimate

Education is when you read the fine print. Experience is what you get if you don't. - Pete Seeger

Regarding your PS- symbols vs. words is an option set in your formatting preferences. On the DragonBar, select Tools then Formatting. Uncheck the box for "units of measure." Then Dragon will default to typing feet instead of '. Numbers are formatted depending on your selection in the drop down menu "Numbers, if greater than or equal to "

I have mine set to 10, in accordance with AP style. For instance, Dragon types "three blind mice" and "12 Angry Men" based on my number formatting preferences.

Getting Dragon to default to 5'6" and "5 feet 6 inches" is a matter of a having the right check boxes checked.

Hope this helps!

 At this point, even though I have had KB for quite a while (KB 2008 is my latest version) I feel that the program is not very helpful to me and I'm frustrated. I am going to be upgrading to DNS 11 very soon. If I echo dictate his reports with DNS (KB is not running), the accuracy is really great - well over 98%. Am I expecting too much from KB? Please give me some suggestions on what to do. I am totally frustrated at this point and wondering where to go next. 

 Thanks for listening and for helping me out. Your input is appreciated. 

PS I still can't get DNS to type 5 feet 6 inches as opposed to 5'6" and the word degrees as opposed to the degree symbol. GRRRR!!

 this software cannot record more than one voice file at once.  I want to be able to record my classes at university and be able to transcribe them. should i be using univoice instead. if it has at least 70% accuracy this is better than what i have today andwould save me alot of time dictating into my recorder after my prof. speaks.

When you say it does not work well, what level of accuracy are you talking about? even if it were, say, 70% accuracy for various speakers, it is possible it still could be helpful since it would eliminate the need to transcribe all the notes. Do you think it might be worth a try?

I have Dragon preferred version 10.

at the present time, I do not think I need all the features of Knowbrainer, but I do think that I might have a use for univoice.

I sometimes record conferences or speakers and is my understanding that I potentially could transcribe multiple speakers by using univoice.

 It is not 100% clear if I need to purchase knowbrainer to use univoice.

thank you 

1. When installing UV it takes you through the normal steps but stops short of taking you to General Training as you normally would (at first I thought this was a defect, but reading the Forum indicates it is assumed you do not need to go thru General Training).  Is this true?  Why wouldn't you take the 10-15 minutes it takes to have it know your voice thru General Training (which you can do by going to the Accuracy Center)?  Isn't it likely doing General Training would increase accuracy at least a little?  What is there to lose (other than the 10-15 minutes)?

2. My DNS/UV will be used by more than one person at a location.  How does an additional user set up an additional User File for themselves? 

I was also able to find a registry hack that allowed me to move my Google desktop search database files on the boot drive to a data drive; that also allowed me to free up a lot of space on my boot drive.

(Normally I would just use a partition utility to increase the size of my boot partition. In this case, however, the physical hard drive contains several striped and mirrored RAID partitions, wihch I can't resize without recreating which I don't want to do if I don't have to.)

About UniVoice: So far, the UniVoice profile isn't doing as well as my regular profile-but I had a good time with it yet to know whether it will work well for my needs...

Andy.

Andy,

You can certainly move any of your user profiles and access them from a different drive or location.  However, you can only move your user files, which are the largest files anyway, off of C drive.  All of the other files associated with DNS that are stored in the C drive location must remain where they are.  There are third-party utilities you can use to alter this.  However, I do not recommend them if you are not a technically savvy user.  If anything goes wrong, goodbye DNS.  In short, using third-party utilities to move the files are located in the All Users folder is pulling the pin on the grenade.  Remember life's rule #1: once you pull the pin on a grenade, Mr. grenade is no longer your friend.

To move your user files to another drive, do the following:

1.  Open Manage Users... with your user profile(s) highlighted.  If you have more than one, you will have to use the following set of procedures for each one, one at a time.

2.  Click on the Advanced button and select Export.

3.  Choose the drive to which you wish to move (Export) your user profile(s).  You can make a new folder on that drive by following the standard Windows instructions which will become obvious, and export your user profile(s) to that folder.

4.  Once you have exported all of your users to that location, close the Manage Users dialog.  Then close your user profile.

5.  Open the Open Users... dialog.  At the bottom of that dialog the "Location of user files" will have as the current location.  Click on the Browse button and go to the location of your exported user profile(s).  Select the user profile that you wish to open and loaded.  Make sure that it works properly and be sure to test out any of your other exported user profiles as well.  Once you're satisfied that everything is working, launch your primary user profile again and open the Manage Users dialog.  The "Location of user files" should reflect the location to which you moved your user profile(s) (i.e., H: DNS 10 users).  Click on the drop-down list arrow, or simply say "drop list", and select .  This will put you back in the default location which is where you originally installed your user profile(s).  You can now safely delete these user profile(s) and they will no longer exists on your C drive.

From this point forward, you will access your user profile(s) from the new location and DNS will always remember that this is where your user profile(s) is/are.  You can always reverse the process using the same steps except going backwards.

The only caveat is that you need to make sure that everything is correct and that your user profile(s) is/are being accessed from the proper location before you delete the user profiles in the location.  All they space that was previously occupied by your user profile(s) will be freed up on your C drive.

Chuck Runquist
Owner, GEMCCON – The Choice of Intelligence
Speech Recognition Consulting and Training

Education is when you read the fine print. Experience is what you get if you don't. - Pete Seeger

Can anyone help me to troubleshoot this program? I have tried closing KnowBrainer and other programs that they suspect attached to DNS for example Outlook.

Thanks in advance for your help!